What if joy isn’t a destination but something already living inside you?
In this heartfelt and deeply grounding conversation, Jonathan sits down with tech leader, DEIB advocate, and proud mom Tamara Wall to explore joy through the lens of motherhood, legacy, and healing.

This is one of the conversations that never made it out during the Joy season—so bringing it to you now feels especially meaningful.

Tamara opens up about:
• Motherhood as both healing ground and harvest
• Breaking cycles and creating a different future for her children
• Embracing Black joy as resistance
• Finding joy even when grief or isolation try to take the lead
• Teaching her kids that joy isn’t earned—it’s deserved

Jonathan reflects on his own upbringing, the legacy of joy passed down through his family, and the power of small moments that stay with us. There’s even a special moment featuring a voicemail from Jonathan’s mom that captures the heart of the entire episode: joy, love, and the quiet reminders that carry us forward.

If you’ve ever struggled to hold joy in a heavy season…
If you’re a parent trying to raise kids with intention…
If you’re healing your inner child…
Or if you’ve simply forgotten that joy belongs to you—
this conversation will meet you right where you are.

Joy is your birthright. Let this episode remind you of that.

💬 Join the Conversation!
Finish the sentence: “Joy is…”
Drop a comment or send a voice note → https://form.smartsuite.com/sszxz4mn/sxwLOAg7ur

🤝🏾 Connect with Tamara Wall
• LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamarawall/
• Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/theerealtam

📚 Resources & Links
Get Erased: What American Patriarchy Has Hidden from Us by Anna Malaika Tubbs → https://bookshop.org/a/79820/9781250876690

Rest is Resistance by Tricia Hersey → https://bookshop.org/a/79820/9780316365215

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🎛️ Production:

Produced & Edited by: Jonathan Dumas (@highlyvisiblepod)

Co-produced & Additional Editing by: Reggie Hall

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