In this groundbreaking episode, Jake sits down with Paul Jameson, Chief Commercial Officer of LifeSafe Technologies, to discuss a revolutionary firefighting product—TRF+. Designed specifically to combat the long-standing challenge of lithium-ion battery fires, TRF+ is not only effective in extinguishing such fires but also prevents re-ignition. Jake and the HazMat Guys team have rigorously tested the product over six months and share their journey from skepticism to astonishment.

Segment Breakdown & Timestamps

0:00 - 1:19 – Intro & Guest Welcome

Jake introduces the show and guest Paul Jameson, setting the stage for a deep dive into TRF+.

1:20 - 2:55 – The Wheel of Stupid Questions

A light-hearted icebreaker: “Would you rather have three arms and one leg or three legs and one arm?”

2:56 - 6:02 – Initial Skepticism & First Impressions

Jake describes his initial doubts and the first meeting with Paul that started the journey of testing TRF+.

6:03 - 9:28 – Testing Begins

Details of field tests, including unconventional and rigorous methods used to challenge the fluid’s effectiveness.

9:29 - 13:32 – How TRF+ Works

Paul explains the science behind TRF+, including how it disrupts the fire triangle by removing heat and suppressing oxygen buildup.

13:33 - 18:10 – Certifications & Testing Evidence

Discussion of third-party testing, environmental safety, and regulatory standards that back up LifeSafe’s claims.

18:11 - 21:00 – Shelf Life & Longevity

TRF+ has an impressive eight-year shelf life with consistent performance, a rare trait in firefighting fluids.

21:01 - 24:57 – Application Methods & Surface Tension Science

How TRF+ can be deployed through various methods, including fire trucks and handheld canisters, and why it outperforms traditional foams.

24:58 - 28:53 – The Origin Story of TRF+

From a goal of simplifying fire extinguishment to unexpectedly solving lithium battery fires, Paul recounts LifeSafe’s evolution.

28:54 - 35:10 – Wildfire Pro: The Wildland Solution

A look at another LifeSafe product that pre-treats and protects areas from wildfires—complete with real-world testing anecdotes.

35:11 - 37:30 – Where to Learn More & Final Thoughts

Jake and Paul wrap up with resource links, testimonials, and a call for more emergency services to explore this promising tech.

Key Moments & Quotes

• "Take it, try to make it not work." – A challenge from Paul that fueled six months of independent testing.
• “Even if you put it out, it’s just going to reignite.” – A belief shattered during the field trials.
• “I put my hand on red-hot embers—and it wasn’t even warm.” – Jake's firsthand experience with Wildfire Pro.
• "Every big fire starts as a small fire." – LifeSafe’s design philosophy behind multipurpose extinguishment fluids.

Resources & References

• Fire Suppression Solutions (FSS): Fire SS Contact Page
• UL Testing & Kiwa Certification: Details available on LifeSafe’s website.
• Hazmat Guys: www.thehazmatguys.com

Guest Bio: Paul Jameson

Paul is the Chief Commercial Officer at LifeSafe Technologies. With over seven years at the company, he’s helped steer it from a multipurpose fluid concept to pioneering solutions for modern firefighting challenges, especially lithium-ion battery fires.