A podcast on medical billing and coding??? Ok, hear us out as we were skeptical too. We’ve invited the Billing Boys, Chris Jones and Phil Rodgers, who convinced us of the following:

1. Billing is complicated, but it isn’t hard.

2. Effectively billing helps pay for the interprofessional team members who often can't bill

3. We should know our worth and bill for it. Just because a visit didn’t feel HARD to a well-trained provider doesn’t mean it wasn’t complex or valuable. Many of us have long suffered from low professional self-esteem when it comes to money, and it’s high time we stop that.

4. While exclusively billing on time may have been right 20 years ago, we must now understand complexity and advance care planning (ACP).

We can't cover everything in the 45 minutes we are together, so here are some of the resources we reference in the podcast:

• Chris’s and Phil’s consulting contact info via Lightning Bolt Partners

• CAPC resources:

• CAPC’s Billing and Coding Toolkit

• CAPC’s Monthly office hours in Inpatient and Community-Based PC Billing and Coding run by Andy Esch, Phil Santa Emma, and Chris Jones

• CAPC’s 2025 Annual Billing and Coding Update done by Phil and Chris each year

• Advance Care Planning resource from the Medicare Learning Network

• Top Ten Tips for Using Advance Care Planning Codes

• CPT 2025 Professional Edition. This is the book that has the Complexity Grid in it. The answers are all here! And your coders will likely share.