What does it mean to lead the church toward vitality in a time of disruption, decline, and shifting cultural landscapes? In this episode, Loren sits down with Dr. F. Douglas Powe Jr., President of Phillips Theological Seminary. Recorded live at the General Assembly of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), this conversation explores how seminaries and congregations alike can foster authentic belonging, support diverse pathways into ministry, and reimagine theological education for the future. Doug reflects on his first six months at Phillips, the seminary’s bold tuition initiative, and the vision behind Bedford House—a new space designed to embody belonging for marginalized and underrepresented communities. He also shares his hopes for how churches can model unity and reconciliation in a divided world.

Topics include:

• Why belonging must come before believing for new generations

• How Bedford House embodies Phillips Seminary’s commitment to inclusion

• The challenges and opportunities of rural and small-church ministry

• Alternative pathways into ministry beyond the traditional M.Div.

• Why theological education must adapt without losing its core formation

• The role of social justice engagement in calling new leaders

• Dr. Powe’s hopes for the church in an age of disruption and division

Rev. F. Douglas Powe Jr., PhD is President of Phillips Theological Seminary in Tulsa, Okla., where he leads the seminary in its work toward deep learning, faithful leadership and global impact. An ordained elder in The United Methodist Church, Dr. Powe is a respected scholar, teacher, and author whose work explores congregational vitality, urban ministry, and innovative approaches to evangelism. Before leading Phillips, he served as Director of the Lewis Center for Church Leadership and James C. Logan Professor of Evangelism at Wesley Theological Seminary. His books include Sustaining While Disrupting, The Adept Church, and Transforming Evangelism. A graduate of Ohio Wesleyan University, Emory University’s Candler School of Theology, and Emory’s Graduate Division of Religion, Dr. Powe is widely sought after for his insights on faith, leadership, and the changing ministry environment.

Mentioned Resources:

📖 Book: https://www.cokesbury.com/The-Adept-Church?vsl=2487

📖 Book: https://www.fortresspress.com/store/product/9781506479200/Sustaining-While-Disrupting

🌐 Phillps Seminary: https://ptstulsa.edu/

🎧 Past Episode with Doug Powe: Sustaining While Disrupting

🎧 Past Episode with Doug Powe: The Adept Church

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Future Christian Team:

Loren Richmond Jr. – Host & Executive Producer

Martha Tatarnic – Co-Host

Paul Romig–Leavitt – Associate Producer

Dennis Sanders – Producer

Alexander Lang - Production Assistant