What’s worth keeping—and what needs to go—when it comes to modern evangelicalism?

In this episode of the Future Christian Podcast, host Loren Richmond Jr. talks with author Michelle Van Loon, whose new book Downsizing: Letting Go of Evangelicalism’s Non-Essentials explores the story of evangelical faith from its post–World War II roots to today’s crisis of credibility.

Drawing from her own journey—from a secular Jewish upbringing to decades inside evangelical churches—Van Loon offers an unflinching yet hopeful look at the movement’s excesses, blind spots, and spiritual gifts worth preserving.

Together, Loren and Michelle unpack:

• The distinction between revival and revivalism—and why chasing emotional “mountaintop” moments misses the point.

• The long shadow of leaders like James Dobson and Bill Gothard, and how their influence shaped evangelical culture.

• The roots of authoritarianism and control in religious systems—and what healthy spiritual authority looks like.

• Why humility and listening matter more than programs or platforms.

• What it means to “downsize” faith while still holding on to Jesus.

Van Loon reminds listeners that faith is not about clinging to institutions but about rediscovering the way of Christ—one marked by honesty, empathy, and hope.

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Michelle Van Loon’s writing is shaped by her deeply rooted faith in Christ, secular Jewish heritage, spiritual hunger, and storyteller’s sensibilities. She has been a regular contributor to Christianity Today magazine, and has articles at a number of other digital sites.. Her eight books include her newest, Downsizing: Letting Go of Evangelicalism's Nonessentials. You can learn more about her work at her website, michellevanloon.com or connect with her at her little corner of Substack, which is called Transforming Words.

Mentioned Resources:

🌐 Website: michellevanloon.com

📖 Her Book:: https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802884626/downsizing/

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