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E24: Why My Friends Making $500K at Google Regret Their Careers (And What I Learned About Freedom)

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I have a friend who makes $500K at Google. He's worked there 15 years, made Managing Director, and he told me: "I've basically given up and I'm just collecting my paycheck." This is what happens when you trade freedom for money.

The pattern I keep seeing across industries and countries:

  • Waterloo classmate at Microsoft making $250K base - quit because he felt unmotivated
  • Friend at Google for 15 years making $500K+ - gave up on career, just collecting paycheck due to office politics
  • Investment banking friend making $400K after taxes - can't quit, can't move, can't take real vacation
  • Works 80-100 hour weeks, checks emails at 11 PM and 3 AM, terrified of layoffs
  • Both said the same thing: "I should have done a startup 10 years ago, but I thought I needed money first"

My own freedom mistake (even as an entrepreneur):

  • Partnership with major US bank potentially worth $300K/year for early-stage company
  • Came with strings: weekly mandatory calls, they approve our product roadmap, exclusivity clauses, response time SLAs
  • Realized I was trading freedom for predictable money - buying myself a high-paying job with fancy title
  • Walked away because if I wanted someone else controlling my time, I'd just work at Google for more money

The trap most people fall into:

  • Think: "Trade freedom for money first, then use money to buy freedom later"
  • Problem: By the time you have money, you've built a lifestyle that requires keeping the job
  • $800K salary funds $600K lifestyle and traps you forever
  • Add mortgages, car payments, private school, HOA fees - golden handcuffs get tighter every year
  • Time is irreplaceable, money is replaceable - can't buy back decades spent asking permission

Wrong question vs right question:

  • WRONG: "How much money is enough?" (No answer satisfies - $1M→$2M→$10M, target keeps moving)
  • RIGHT: "How much freedom is enough?" (Start with 10%, 20%, 50% - even with full-time job)
  • I turn down clients regularly - make more time by avoiding problematic people/companies, creates more value long-term

The three types of work relationships:

  1. Employee: Ask permission, trade time for money on someone else's terms, income stops when you stop
  2. Freelancer: More autonomy but still trading hours for dollars, fundamentally same problem
  3. Entrepreneur: Own the outcome, build assets that compound, can own something that works when you don't

The four freedom questions (rate yourself 0-4):

  1. Can you quit your job tomorrow? (6-12 months runway saved, skills to generate income quickly)
  2. Can you move anywhere next month? (Not tied down by lease, mortgages, office requirements)
  3. Can you say no without financial stress? (Turn down bad opportunities, walk away from toxic situations, have "F you money")
  4. Can you choose your own daily schedule? (Control calendar, work when most productive, take Wednesdays off without permission)

The reality check:

  • Most people check zero boxes, some check one, very few check all four
  • We've all optimized for income, not independence
  • Society values net worth, job titles, salary, house, car
  • But real questions are: Do I control my time? Can I say no? Am I building something that compounds? Do I own assets, not just income?

The middle ground nobody talks about:

  • Not binary - don't have to choose between full-time employee or all-in entrepreneur
  • Start consulting while working full-time, build to $10K/month in contract revenue
  • Free ebook coming soon at founderreality.com on this approach
  • There's always a middle path, always a way to start building freedom

Bottom line: I know people with $5M net worth who feel trapped. I know people with $100K who feel free. The difference isn't the money - it's their relationship with money and freedom. If you don't know what you want, more money won't solve that. You'll just build a more expensive prison.

New episodes Monday/Wednesday/Friday at 9am EST. Real founder lessons about building wealth and freedom without permission.

Daily thoughts: @TheGeorgePu on Twitter/X
Full episodes: founderreality.com
Email: [email protected]

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I have a friend who makes $500K at Google. He's worked there 15 years, made Managing Director, and he told me: "I've basically given up and I'm just collecting my paycheck." This is what happens when you trade freedom for money.

The pattern I keep seeing across industries and countries:

  • Waterloo classmate at Microsoft making $250K base - quit because he felt unmotivated
  • Friend at Google for 15 years making $500K+ - gave up on career, just collecting paycheck due to office politics
  • Investment banking friend making $400K after taxes - can't quit, can't move, can't take real vacation
  • Works 80-100 hour weeks, checks emails at 11 PM and 3 AM, terrified of layoffs
  • Both said the same thing: "I should have done a startup 10 years ago, but I thought I needed money first"

My own freedom mistake (even as an entrepreneur):

  • Partnership with major US bank potentially worth $300K/year for early-stage company
  • Came with strings: weekly mandatory calls, they approve our product roadmap, exclusivity clauses, response time SLAs
  • Realized I was trading freedom for predictable money - buying myself a high-paying job with fancy title
  • Walked away because if I wanted someone else controlling my time, I'd just work at Google for more money

The trap most people fall into:

  • Think: "Trade freedom for money first, then use money to buy freedom later"
  • Problem: By the time you have money, you've built a lifestyle that requires keeping the job
  • $800K salary funds $600K lifestyle and traps you forever
  • Add mortgages, car payments, private school, HOA fees - golden handcuffs get tighter every year
  • Time is irreplaceable, money is replaceable - can't buy back decades spent asking permission

Wrong question vs right question:

  • WRONG: "How much money is enough?" (No answer satisfies - $1M→$2M→$10M, target keeps moving)
  • RIGHT: "How much freedom is enough?" (Start with 10%, 20%, 50% - even with full-time job)
  • I turn down clients regularly - make more time by avoiding problematic people/companies, creates more value long-term

The three types of work relationships:

  1. Employee: Ask permission, trade time for money on someone else's terms, income stops when you stop
  2. Freelancer: More autonomy but still trading hours for dollars, fundamentally same problem
  3. Entrepreneur: Own the outcome, build assets that compound, can own something that works when you don't

The four freedom questions (rate yourself 0-4):

  1. Can you quit your job tomorrow? (6-12 months runway saved, skills to generate income quickly)
  2. Can you move anywhere next month? (Not tied down by lease, mortgages, office requirements)
  3. Can you say no without financial stress? (Turn down bad opportunities, walk away from toxic situations, have "F you money")
  4. Can you choose your own daily schedule? (Control calendar, work when most productive, take Wednesdays off without permission)

The reality check:

  • Most people check zero boxes, some check one, very few check all four
  • We've all optimized for income, not independence
  • Society values net worth, job titles, salary, house, car
  • But real questions are: Do I control my time? Can I say no? Am I building something that compounds? Do I own assets, not just income?

The middle ground nobody talks about:

  • Not binary - don't have to choose between full-time employee or all-in entrepreneur
  • Start consulting while working full-time, build to $10K/month in contract revenue
  • Free ebook coming soon at founderreality.com on this approach
  • There's always a middle path, always a way to start building freedom

Bottom line: I know people with $5M net worth who feel trapped. I know people with $100K who feel free. The difference isn't the money - it's their relationship with money and freedom. If you don't know what you want, more money won't solve that. You'll just build a more expensive prison.

New episodes Monday/Wednesday/Friday at 9am EST. Real founder lessons about building wealth and freedom without permission.

Daily thoughts: @TheGeorgePu on Twitter/X
Full episodes: founderreality.com
Email: [email protected]

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