Gideon Levy discusses the killings of Hamas and Hezbollah leaders Ismail Haniyeh and Mohammed Deif. Levy is an Israeli journalist and author who writes for Haaretz - focussing on the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. Levy has won prizes for his articles on human rights in the Israeli-occupied territories. For the Sake of Argument podcast: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jakenewfield Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4k9DDGJz02ibpUpervM5EY Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-sake-of-argument/id1567749546 Twitter: https://twitter.com/JakeNewfield Timeline: 00:05 - 12 Children Killed in the Golan Heights 00:24 - Gideon's Response to the Killings of Hamas and Hezbollah leaders 01:24 - Ismail Haniyeh and Mohammed Deif 01:34 - What should Israel have done? 06:26 - Why did Israel kill the Hamas commander and Hezbollah leader? 07:40 - October 7th Response 09:28 - What SHOULD Israel have done after October 7th? 12:15 - Ilan Pappe 15:10 - Is Hamas a terrorist group? 15:44 - The SOLUTION 17:38 - One State Solution 18:10 - WHY a Two-State Solution is NOT possible 18:45 - SHOULD Israel have been established? 21:29 - Do the Jews deserve a state? 23:55 - Do Jews need Israel? 29:47: ZIONISM 32:05 - Palestinian Leadership 33:40 - Do Palestinians support Hamas? 35:22 - WHO should govern Palestine? 37:50 - Is Hamas antisemitic? 39:48 - Israelis vs Netanyahu 41:41 - Do Palestians and Israelis support their leadership? 52:45 - What is the role of the United States?