We Can't Believe They Gave Us a Show: Dena Ali on Mental Health, Peer Support, and Creating Culture Change

In this episode of We Can’t Believe They Gave Us a Show, Jim Burneka and Nick Magoteaux sit down with Dena Ali to discuss her groundbreaking work in first responder mental health. Ali shares her journey from struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts to authoring Hope Out of Darkness (Fire Engineering), a comprehensive book on resilience, peer support, and wellness tailored for the fire service.

As program manager for the First Responder Center for Excellence, Ali develops innovative training and resources that tackle tough, often overlooked topics: organizational culture, psychological safety, and interpersonal relationships. Ali’s candid stories and practical strategies offer a fresh perspective aimed at transforming fire service culture and saving lives. Tune in to learn why this isn’t just another mental health talk—it’s a call for real change.