Stan and Marshall talk about the frustrating "intermediate plateau" a stage where artists feel stuck. They explore causes like boredom, complacency, and unclear goals, and give advice on how to push through using feedback, mentorship, passion projects, and risk-taking.

SHOW LINKS (some contain affiliate links):

Animal Anatomy For Artists by Joe Weatherly (Foreword by Marshall Vandruff) - https://amzn.to/4f1Fquk

George Woodbridge (Mad Magazine Artist) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-george-woodbridge-catch-22-issue.jpg

Jack Davis (Mad Magazine Artist) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-jack-davis-catch-22-issue.jpg

23 Habits for Artists - Draftsmen S1E14 - https://youtu.be/WrKyzUMERKc?si=xAt2uqF3JawxIYAm

Mastery by George Leonard - https://amzn.to/4o1zxBc

Marshall’s small artwork from his 30’s - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-framed-with-size-text.jpg https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-full-size.jpg

Rembrandt (photo by Olivier Middendorp) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-pikachu-wolverine.jpg

Leonardo da Vinci - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-framed.jpg https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-full.jpg

When by Daniel Pink - https://amzn.to/44HYjir

Masterclass (Ron Howard) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/ron-howard-teaches-directing

Masterclass (Mira Nair) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/mira-nair-teaches-independent-filmmaking

Masterclass (Martin Scorsese) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/martin-scorsese-teaches-filmmaking Masterclass (Margaret Atwood) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/margaret-atwood-teaches-creative-writing

Creativity by Mihaly Csikszentmihaly - https://amzn.to/45elml4

Think Like a Freak by Steven D. Levitt - https://amzn.to/3IDvElY Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt - https://amzn.to/3Uq4YHS

Kristian Nee’s youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@KristianNeeTV

Kristians Podcast with Marshall - “What Every Artist Needs to Hear (But Nobody Says)” - https://youtu.be/ptXnRU-HGxQ?si=qSKU8po6gqpU1MgJ

Stan’s Anatomy Course - https://proko.com/anatomy

Anatomy Course Drawings (only on screen briefly for how much work went into them) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-popeye-stan.jpg

Pinocchio (1940) - https://amzn.to/44RzdO0

Frankenstein by Bernie Wrightson - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-1.jpg https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-2.jpg

The Upside of Quitting - Freakonomics Radio - https://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-upside-of-quitting-3/

Cops TV Show (1989-present) - https://amzn.to/4mqyb1F

Sexy Beast (2000) - https://amzn.to/3UtbugY

Kimon Nicolaïdes - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-kimon-nicolaides-gesture-sketches.jpeg

Learn to Draw - www.proko.com

Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com

Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko

Kristian Nee - https://www.kristiannee.com/

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