We’re recasting this listener favorite from Season 6. Qudsiya loves this conversation with human rights lawyer and disability justice champion, Haben Girma—author of the acclaimed memoir, “Haben: The Deafblind Woman Who Conquered Harvard Law.”

Haben and Qudsiya talked about the concept of empowered interdependence. This is the idea that we all deserve to have access to the tools to define our own lives, and the ability to lean on one another to access those tools.

Empowered interdependence acknowledges that all of our lives are intertwined, and we are stronger when we solve problems together. It’s a timely message, and, as always, Haben shares it with infinite wisdom.

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