Let’s talk about it — why don’t people want to work at church anymore?

In this episode of Conversations, I break down the real reasons behind the growing disinterest in vocational ministry — especially among Gen Z and millennials. Spoiler: it’s not a passion problem, it’s a perception problem.

From burnout and over-programming to outdated staffing models and reactive leadership, I unpack what’s pushing people away — and how we can lead differently.

You’ll learn:

• What Barna’s data says about Gen Z and ministry in 2025

• The 3 culture shifts that are driving staff turnover

• Why influence and impact matter more than org charts

• How to recruit leaders with vision, not just fill roles

• What churches must do to attract, build, and keep high-capacity people

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Website: https://joshandrew.org

If you’re a church leader or team builder, this episode will challenge how you think about leadership, recruitment, and calling in today’s world.