In this episode of Conversations, we’re diving into a truth that many leaders miss: while the church isn’t a startup, it still demands structure, systems, and strategy.

Drawing from over a decade of ministry leadership and business experience, I unpack why the Holy Spirit isn’t opposed to order—and how building healthy, sustainable churches requires more than fire and passion.

You’ll learn:

• Why spiritual momentum dies without structure

• The difference between relying on superstars vs. servant teams

• How systems protect your people and sustain your mission

• What clarity and simplicity do for discipleship

• And how to build momentum that doesn’t burn out your team

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If you’ve ever felt torn between “being led by the Spirit” and “leading with strategy,” this one’s for you. Let’s build churches that last.