In this episode of Conversations with Josh Andrew, I tackle one of the biggest problems in modern ministry—the loss of relational leadership. Somewhere along the way, church leadership became about polish, platforms, and production—and we forgot that Jesus led through presence, not distance.

I unpack eight principles of relational leadership that every pastor and church leader needs to rediscover. From walking among your people to leading with care instead of control, this episode is a reminder that you can’t graduate from being relational.

Whether you’re a pastor, creative, or ministry leader, this conversation will challenge how you think about influence, leadership, and what it truly means to shepherd people.

🕒 Episode Breakdown:
00:00 – Introduction and Purpose
00:43 – The Problem with Modern Church Leadership
01:06 – The Importance of Being Relational
02:17 – Eight Key Principles for Relational Leadership
03:02 – You Can't Shepherd from a Stage
04:59 – People Need Presence, Not Platforms
07:08 – You're Not Too Busy, You've Just Drifted
09:50 – Knowing Your Congregation Beyond Preaching
11:06 – Control vs. Care in Leadership
12:47 – Scaling Through Sending
15:39 – Building Disciples, Not Just Systems
17:45 – The Kingdom is Carried on Shoulders, Not Spreadsheets
18:57 – Conclusion and Recap

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🎧 Listen if you want to:

• Lead your church with authenticity

• Build trust and culture in ministry

• Reconnect with your people beyond the pulpit

• Move from transactional to transformational leadership

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