In this candid and relatable pajama-clad conversation, Janelle and Danielle unpack one of the most toxic — yet common — workplace dynamics: micromanagement. They share honest stories about being micromanaged, recognizing their own tendencies to control, and the emotional toll this leadership style can take on creativity, trust, and wellbeing.

From leaders who demand access to calendars and copy themselves on every email, to the subtle ways fear and pressure trigger micromanaging behavior, they explore how this habit suffocates innovation and damages team culture. Janelle and Danielle also reflect on what it means to lead with awareness — and how both employees and leaders can break free from the micromanager trap with empathy, courage, and clear communication.

Equal parts insightful and hilarious (especially when delivered in pinstripe pajamas), this episode is a must-listen for anyone who wants to create healthier, more empowering workplaces — or just recognize when it’s time to stop checking that inbox.