What keeps security folks up at night, and what gets us out of bed in the morning? In this episode, we get personal about the parts of ProdSec that inspire, frustrate, and challenge us most. From building secure-by-default pipelines to chasing the thrill of catching bugs before they bite, we share what fuels our obsession with protecting products at scale.

We compare the moments that hooked us, late-night incidents, breakthrough fixes, and the weird satisfaction of turning chaos into clarity. Along the way, we talk burnout, purpose, and why passion projects often teach the best lessons about resilience and leadership in security.

Pour another cup and join us for an unfiltered chat about why we love ProdSec, even when it drives us a little mad.