Valentine's Day has been commercialized to such an outrageous degree, pushing models of hetero-normative romantic commitment so hard that any other kind of love can end up seeming marginal or even invisible. That's one of the reasons why "Once" is such a fascinating story: a man and a woman fall into a certain kind of love but it's less romantic and more of a beautiful bridge that helps each of them get to a different place in their lives.

Another, more specifically theatrical reason to talk about "Once" is its weird journey from a small, scruffy movie into a bold, joyful and singular stage experience.

Lucky for me, and for you listeners, Nathaniel Shaw has firsthand knowledge of "Once" on Broadway thanks to his work with choreographer Steven Hoggett on the show. Nathaniel also staged an amazing production of "Once" himself back in 2019. He brings his insight and perspective on the show, plus an ornery take on the state of the American musical, to bear in our expansive conversation, all in smooth dulcet tones that will practically melt your eardrums.

As always, please check out ChasingPhantom.net for more information and video clips of the show - this is definitely the kind of show where you want to see the movement and the energy. Reach out at any time with comments, complaints or just to say 'hi' to [email protected].