In episode 20, Kevin chats with Adam Hoge and Adam Jahns, hosts of the aptly-named "Hoge and Jahns" podcast about the Chicago Bears. They've covered the Bears alongside Kevin for over a decade. It's a special triple-origin-story episode, as Hoge and Jahns each go through their journeys in sports media, and then go into how their podcast began as it reaches its 10th anniversary. Kevin has been a frequent contributor on "Hoge and Jahns" and worked with Jahns for six years at The Athletic, so this is a special episode that still goes inside what it was like to move up through the ranks of sports media in a city like Chicago. Hear how Adam Hoge and Adam Jahns broke in.