In this episode of Behind the Latch, Margaret Salty interviews Dr. Lisa Anders, assistant professor at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro and IBCLC. Together, they explore Dr. Anders’ groundbreaking research on flange sizing for pumping parents—an area that has been historically under-researched and inconsistently practiced. Dr. Anders shares how using nipple tip diameter rather than base diameter may improve comfort, milk expression, and overall pumping experience.

They discuss the practical implications of her findings for private practice IBCLCs, how to apply the research in clinical care, and what this means for the future of pumping support.

Anders, L., Frem, J.M., & McCoy, T.P. (2024). Flange Size Matters: A Comparative Pilot Study of the Flange FITS Guide Versus Traditional Sizing Methods. Journal of Human Lactation, 41(1). https://doi.org/10.1177/08903344241296036

Lisa’s Journey into Lactation Research

Dr. Anders shares how:

• Her own experience as a mother and lactation consultant led her to question standard flange fitting guidance.
• She noticed patterns of discomfort and underperformance in pump use that weren’t being addressed in the literature.
• Her academic background in health and human sciences helped her design a pilot study to explore alternative approaches to flange sizing.

They discuss:

• How incorrect flange sizing contributes to nipple pain, reduced output, and early weaning.
• Why standard recommendations based on base diameter may not reflect the functional part of the nipple used during pumping.
• How measuring nipple tip diameter (as little as 3–5mm) and using smaller flanges improved outcomes for many of her study participants.

Dr. Anders explains:

• How IBCLCs in private practice can begin to implement this approach now, even before larger-scale studies are done.
• The importance of individualized care, particularly for exclusive pumpers who may struggle in silence.
• Why pump support deserves the same evidence-based attention as direct breastfeeding.

They explore:

• How a lack of evidence-based flange fitting disproportionately impacts marginalized communities.
• The cost and access barriers involved in finding the right flange—and how that contributes to inequities in breastfeeding outcomes.
• The need for culturally responsive, inclusive pumping support.

Dr. Anders shares:

• What future research she hopes to conduct to validate and expand her pilot findings.
• Why community-based IBCLCs play a vital role in gathering observational data and sharing clinical insights.
• Her encouragement to providers to challenge assumptions and keep asking: is this really working for our clients?

Dr. Anders encourages providers to:

• Reconsider flange fitting practices with a focus on comfort, efficiency, and individualized care.
• Learn more about pump mechanics and nipple anatomy.
• Advocate for more inclusive and accessible tools to support all pumping parents.

Dr. Lisa Anders is an assistant professor at UNC Greensboro and a board-certified lactation consultant. Her research focuses on maternal health, infant feeding, and improving care experiences through interdisciplinary and inclusive approaches.

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📚 Read the study: Anders, L. (2024). Reconsidering Flange Sizing for Breast Pumping Parents: A Pilot Study. Journal of Human Lactation.

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