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AA222 - People Don't Quit Jobs, They Quit Bosses - Or Do They?

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We're challenging the most accepted wisdom in workplace culture - do people really quit bad bosses, or are they really fleeing broken systems?
Join Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Coach Om Patel as they engage in this heated debate and explore whether blaming individual managers lets dysfunctional organizations off the hook.
🔥 Listen or watch as we also cover:

  • Why good managers turn "bad" under systemic pressure
  • The broken promotion pipeline from individual contributor to leader
  • How measuring individuals while preaching teamwork creates conflict
  • Why psychological safety can't survive in hierarchical power structures

Spoiler alert - we don't end up agreeing in this episode, and that's OK! Whether you're a struggling manager or frustrated employee, this conversation will change how you view workplace dysfunction.
#Leadership #Management #WorkplaceCulture
LINKS
Watch on YouTube

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596
Website: http://arguingagile.com
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Toronto Is My Beat
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Chapters

1. Introduction: Do People Really Quit Bosses? (00:00:00)

2. In Defense of Bad Managers (00:00:28)

3. Gallup on the Impact of Managers on Employee Engagement (00:00:47)

4. People Leave Managers (00:04:10)

5. Real-Life Example: Systemic Pressure (00:05:00)

6. The Role of Training (Or Not) (00:09:26)

7. Bringing in New Talent (00:11:51)

8. Joann's Fabric (00:12:55)

9. Systemic Impact of Bad Organizational Structures (00:14:08)

10. Estimation and Team Dynamics (00:17:50)

11. Ways of Working (00:20:54)

12. Org Structures & Team-Sizing (00:23:50)

13. Does Structure Cause Bad Management? (00:25:03)

14. Trash Media Diet (00:29:18)

15. Challenges in Measuring Performance (00:29:57)

16. Measurement Training (00:31:02)

17. "Performance" Based Incentives (00:35:15)

18. Leadership Development and Promotion Issues (00:36:50)

19. Journeyman Model (00:41:01)

20. The Need for a Part II (00:42:29)

21. Psychological Safety and Systemic Issues (00:42:50)

22. Reflecting on The Discussion (00:46:28)

23. Future Topics (00:47:56)

24. Wrap-Up (00:50:13)

230 episodes

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Manage episode 497373446 series 2986873
Content provided by Brian Orlando. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by Brian Orlando or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://podcastplayer.com/legal.

We're challenging the most accepted wisdom in workplace culture - do people really quit bad bosses, or are they really fleeing broken systems?
Join Product Manager Brian Orlando and Enterprise Business Agility Coach Om Patel as they engage in this heated debate and explore whether blaming individual managers lets dysfunctional organizations off the hook.
🔥 Listen or watch as we also cover:

  • Why good managers turn "bad" under systemic pressure
  • The broken promotion pipeline from individual contributor to leader
  • How measuring individuals while preaching teamwork creates conflict
  • Why psychological safety can't survive in hierarchical power structures

Spoiler alert - we don't end up agreeing in this episode, and that's OK! Whether you're a struggling manager or frustrated employee, this conversation will change how you view workplace dysfunction.
#Leadership #Management #WorkplaceCulture
LINKS
Watch on YouTube

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@arguingagile
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/362QvYORmtZRKAeTAE57v3
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/agile-podcast/id1568557596
Website: http://arguingagile.com
INTRO MUSIC
Toronto Is My Beat
By Whitewolf (Source: https://ccmixter.org/files/whitewolf225/60181)
CC BY 4.0 DEED (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en)

  continue reading

Chapters

1. Introduction: Do People Really Quit Bosses? (00:00:00)

2. In Defense of Bad Managers (00:00:28)

3. Gallup on the Impact of Managers on Employee Engagement (00:00:47)

4. People Leave Managers (00:04:10)

5. Real-Life Example: Systemic Pressure (00:05:00)

6. The Role of Training (Or Not) (00:09:26)

7. Bringing in New Talent (00:11:51)

8. Joann's Fabric (00:12:55)

9. Systemic Impact of Bad Organizational Structures (00:14:08)

10. Estimation and Team Dynamics (00:17:50)

11. Ways of Working (00:20:54)

12. Org Structures & Team-Sizing (00:23:50)

13. Does Structure Cause Bad Management? (00:25:03)

14. Trash Media Diet (00:29:18)

15. Challenges in Measuring Performance (00:29:57)

16. Measurement Training (00:31:02)

17. "Performance" Based Incentives (00:35:15)

18. Leadership Development and Promotion Issues (00:36:50)

19. Journeyman Model (00:41:01)

20. The Need for a Part II (00:42:29)

21. Psychological Safety and Systemic Issues (00:42:50)

22. Reflecting on The Discussion (00:46:28)

23. Future Topics (00:47:56)

24. Wrap-Up (00:50:13)

230 episodes

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