In this episode, Dave Neil and I dive into the latest Bachelor Nation drama and share some life updates. We break down Dave’s coverage of the Clayton Echard controversy, including Gabby Windey’s recent critical remarks. Together, we analyze Gabby’s motivations, Bachelor Nation’s reactions, and the broader implications for the community. Dave brings a thoughtful defense of Clayton, raising key points about men’s mental health in the process.

I’ve included podcast clips from some of my favorite friends in the podcasting world, along with a cameo from a very special guest from She’s All Bach. Plus, we share personal stories about our kids, the exciting growth of Dave’s career in podcasting and stand-up comedy, and a heartfelt moment featuring my husband, Humberto Preciado!

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