At the behavioral level, the Rough Ashlar represents the unshaped material of our habits, reactions, and instinctive responses. This episode grounds the symbol in everyday experience—how imperfection appears in our behavior, how it becomes visible through interaction, and why noticing our roughness is the first step toward meaningful refinement.

🔑 Key Takeaways

• Roughness shows up as unrefined habits, reactions, and instinctive responses
• Being “unfinished” is natural; awareness is what makes growth possible
• Behavioral refinement begins with honest evaluation of the self

💬 Featured Quotes

(All quotes verbatim; consecutive fragments combined where appropriate to represent full coherent ideas.)

• 0:00:08–0:00:13 — “There's a very good chance that you'll be running into folks that are not perfect, and you'll be looking in mirrors relatively soon and you'll find there's opportunities for yourself as well.”
• 0:00:21–0:00:36 — “At a practical and behavioral level, the rough ashlar really speaks to the habits, reactions, and I would say emotional sort of responses—the visceral responses, all of the things that are kind of not the way that they're going to need to be to optimize your behavior.”
• 0:01:55–0:02:06 — “Importantly, as one of our core values is charity, be charitable with yourself when you're evaluating your own rough edges. That whole approach, that whole understanding that we are works in progress should inform both your treatment of yourself and the treatment of people around you.”
• 0:02:12–0:02:17 — “How many times have you tried to correct someone else's behavior before looking at your own?”
• 0:02:24–0:02:41 — “In the context of a timeline or a rough order of operations, you will go back in every kind of situation where you are trying to grow and develop and look at everything as if it's always a rough ashlar.”

Creators & Guests

• Brian Mattocks - Host