Two guys - a shoe designer & a coach - talk shit about running, mostly. This podcast is our therapy & fills a critical need for human conversation in our lives. Welcome along for the ride.
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Welcome to Safety talks, with your host Steve Sisson. This podcast, we will be discussing "All Things Safety" as defined by you, the listeners. "Safety Talks, with Steve Sisson" is brought to you by Safety FM. Safety FM is dedicated to finding great safety resources across all industries to share with our listeners.
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A seasonal, bi-weekly podcast dedicated to integrating body, mind & soul for what the race requires.
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Underground Wellness Radio is where health, personal development, and entrepreneurship meet head-on to reveal the blueprint for coming alive. Host Sean Croxton delivers in-depth weekly interviews with a variety of special guests including Chris Kresser, Diane Sanfilippo, Marie Forleo, Mark Sisson, and more.
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The final planned episode of the Keep Going podcast is a running homage to Town Lake & Austin, Texas. We've enjoyed being on this ride with all of you. We'll see you down the road. Godspeed, my friends, godspeed.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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The (second to) last episode of the Keep Going podcast. In this final conversation, we talk about why this the end, for now. & what we've loved about these conversations. Godspeed, my friends, godspeed.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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The Dance: Analytic Assessment of a Long Run Session
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1:01:44This episode breaks down an iconic & specific key session in the Telos Running marathon program as Michael prepares for the 2025 Chicago Marathon. The Dance is a marathon specific session that, on paper, looks like the following: 2M warm-up 6 sets of 2M at Marathon Goal Pace w/ 1M Float (continuous) 0-2M cool-down Join us as we dissect Michael's ex…
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For the Sake of the Run: Running & the Human Condition
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1:02:00In this episode of the Keep Going podcast, your hosts talk about running's special gifts, many of which are not recognized or valued by the wider running culture. This leads up to one of our favorite artist's least catchy, most deep songs: For The Sake Of The Song by Townes van Zandt. We spend the remainder of the episode expounding on the ways run…
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Don't Drink The Water: DMB, Politics & the Racing Question
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1:07:24In this wide ranging episode we trace how being the best at what you do can play into a beautiful life. Dave Matthews Band, politics & if racing is dying off are the framing points but where we end up is being excellent is a personal journey.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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Riffs 02: Performance, Progress, Pain & Breaking 4
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1:20:01We hit another four quick takes this week & we relate much of this to the idea of training by feel. We also talk about the Breaking 4 performance before the event happens. Performance: what is the optimal time of day to train? Progress: when do we know we are fit? Pain: varieties of pain Breaking 4By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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In this very special episode, Michael shares his Atreyu journey. Having recently announced that Atreyu would not be continuing to produce shoes & would be shutting down at the end of 2025, Steve asks Michael some questions about his Atreyu journey. This episode is not the whole story, by any stretch, but it is a conversation around what really matt…
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Riffs 01: Waterstops, Hunger, Race Fitness Indicators, Rain.
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52:53Welcome to Riffs! In this experimental episode in which we unpack four distinct topics in 10-15 minute segments instead of one topic over an hour. The Riff topics are: Waterstops Hunger Race Day Fitness Indicators Rain If you like this format, please send us a few topics/concepts that you'd like us to riff on & we'll pull them all together in our n…
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Run To The Hills: The Super Power of Hills
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49:26In this episode Michael calls Steve out on his administration of hilly routes for easy long runs. We talk about hills, easy running & how hills can become your superpower. Godspeed, friends, godspeed. Note the inclusion of the fantastic Iron Maiden song, Run To The Hills from the classic album, The Number of the Beast.…
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An extended conversation/diatribe on the value of growth & Late Western Capitalism. We loosely pull in running in a few places but this is definitely way of the beaten path. There does seem to be something in the air, relative to the unhappiness many of feel about the current state of the world: politically, economically & culturally. We hope you e…
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An Invitation for the Training By Feel Project
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6:37An invitation to join the experimental Training By Feel Project which will follow an approach of training by feel for any race between 5K & a marathon this fall. If you are interested reach out to me directly at sisson at telosrunning dot com. Also, we are looking for listener input on topics for Michael & Steve to riff on for a maximum of 15 minut…
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An Experiment: Running By Feel Project
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1:15:03This is the initial exploration of an experiment we are planning for this fall. Listen along & look for the next episode - a solo one by Steve unpacking & presenting the project more concretely. Reach out if if you have any questions: sisson at telosrunning dot com. Godspeed, my friends, godspeed.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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Liminal Running (Part II): Soul-Style Revisited
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1:07:59Even though we didn't plan this episode to link up so well with the last one (see Ep 88: Liminal Running (Part I): Breaking Frames), it just does. A continued bending of the tariffs impact on Atreyu & Michael's livelihood with one of Steve's major philosophical positions, soul-style. We really catch a groove here & are interested in your feedback, …
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Liminal Running (Part I): Breaking Frames
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52:34Man, this podcast is so fucking cool. I mean, it certainly is an acquired taste - like nattō or Limburger cheese or Mr Twit's Odious Ale - but when it hits, it hits. This episode (88) should be paired with the next episode (89, duh) in terms of full on Keep Going. We sense we are getting into rarified air, if lack of oxygen is your thing, in these …
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A Mouthful of Ginger: Bukowski, AI & Tariffs
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59:24A little musical prelude where we talk about Dan Reeder, Ted Lucas & Charles Bukowski before we wander back into the AI discourse on our way to what beauty & art mean in our current crazy world. Steve asks Michael about these damn tariffs & we all get a great education on the struggles & strategies around running a small business For more on this p…
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Trying Not To Tri: The Benefits of Cross Training
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56:22Cross training is always a fruitful topic & one we haven't really explored together on this podcast. Michael makes his arguments for why cycling & swimming are really optimal cross training options for the serious runner. We also discuss the longterm potential of this podcast, take a listener's recommendations really seriously & ask any of our cons…
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High, Low & In Between: Why Do We Run?
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1:14:27Of of our heroes is the late, great Townes van Zandt & this episode is named after one of his great albums. In this episode we loop back to the ideas of running as Practice & running as Pursuit that we unpacked many months ago.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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Note: If you tried to listen to this early on Monday, March 10th, we'd uploaded a repeat of last week's episode. This has been corrected. If you downloaded it prior to our correction, you may need to refresh to get the actual episode. Sorry for any confusion. Your intrepid hosts were completely winging it on this one & we thought it might end up on…
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Reality is Fucked but Running is Magic
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1:16:24Shit is gettin weird around here, y'all. & fair warning: Steve gets really riled up on this one. & drops lots & lots of f-bombs. It's helpful to remind you that this is just a conversation between friends. If you take this episode's title at face value, you may be a bit confused for the first 10-15 minutes where we touch into personal addictions & …
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Please be patient in listening to this episode, friends. We take a little while to get rolling on our topic but we think its worth your time & listening investment. ichael & Steve use the analogy of playing a musical instrument for how we might approach our body/mind experience in running. As Michael is learning how to bring his music theory & expe…
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Is Expertise an Antidote to the Attention Economy?
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1:00:04While this was entirely unintended, this episode feels like a part two of last week's discussion. This one leans into the struggles we both feel about this late capitalist, social media saturated attention economy as entrepreneurs & "experts" in our respective fields. What would happen if it all fell apart? Is mission enough? What is our expertise …
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Training When Not Training: Groups, Goals & Growth
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1:04:34A deep dive into training with a group & what training even is anyway. Is "Everything is Training" really true? What about when you aren't in a series training mode? How do you process not having a goal race staring right down your face? In this episode we cover a lot of ground but we stay committed to the topic & hope you enjoy our ponderings. Unt…
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A Running Kōan: Listening to the Body
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1:09:08We dive into a favorite topic of Steve's: listening to your body. Along the way we discuss the Japanese kōan, guitar pedals, old school running magazines, book collecting, etc. In this episode, Steve mentioned that he has an online lecture series created in 2020 that he was willing to offer. If you are interested, send Steve an email at sisson at t…
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The Marathon is NOT Good for Your Health: Varieties of Racing Experiences
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1:11:57Appreciation of the radio, early Genesis & Keep Going Radio kick this episode off but our main topic is on the importance of racing various race distances for all runners. We cover how training for & racing different race distances is incredibly beneficial for all runners. We hope you enjoy this one... Godspeed, friends, godspeed.…
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Death, etc: Desire, Change & the Bardos
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1:07:39We start with Steve's experience of the "Fuck You Beer" & move into much more important matters like Michael's discontinuing of Atreyu's iconic Base Model. We recorded this episode on December 12, 2024. It seems important to mention this at the outset of this episode. There is a lot of early chatter around bodily functions - yikes Steve - but it is…
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A Vending Machine on Mars: Exploring The Artist Archetype
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1:19:03"Aspiration without attachment." - Michael Please join us in a discursive, yet oddly flowing conversation exploring the paradoxes around being an Artist. For more on Michael's analogy of "a vending machine on Mars" see below, curated from the Atreyu Running's newsletter that you should be subscribed to: Before there was Atreyu, there was this audac…
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Liminal Racing: Ways of Revisioning Running
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54:16Neither of your two intrepid co-hosts planned to continue to explore, analyze & interrogate "the race experience", but here we are. The past few months have followed Michael's preparation & execution for the 2024 Detroit Marathon & we covered significant prep/debrief in episodes 71 & 72. Then in episode 73 we discussed the importance of felt-sense …
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What's New In Running? A 2024 Industry Report
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1:10:44This episode is released as The Running Event (TRE) - an annual trade conference for the running industry - is in full swing in our hometown of Austin, Texas. As a provocation, I asked Micheal the question "What's New In Running?" thinking we might just skate along the surface. Instead, Michael unloads in an open & honest reflection of the thoughts…
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All The Feels: The Importance of the Felt-Sense
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1:14:26What is the felt-sense? How important is it for runners to be conversant & skilled in the varieties of the feeling states we encounter in our running practice & pursuit? While this episode only scratches the surface on this topic, it does try to grapple with what we feel is a critically overlooked aspect of training & racing for runners across a va…
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A Race Debrief Session: Detroit Marathon 2024
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56:04In part two of our race series discussion around Michael's Detroit Marathon performance, we debrief his experience. Surprises ensue, respect is gained. Godspeed my friends, godspeed. As mentioned in the short intro, check out THIS REALLY COOL RACE VIDEO Michael made documenting his race experience for his Man on the Run YouTube channel. Very cool &…
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Creating A Race Plan: Detroit Marathon 2024
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1:10:40Consider the first of a two part series on the Detroit Marathon 2024. Michael & Steve create a race strategy for Michael's Detroit Marathon run from scratch in this episode & in the one well release tomorrow, we'll debrief the race itself. Godspeed!By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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Flat Earth, Immune Systems & the Danger of Monoculture
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1:08:35This conversation goes a thousand different directions. If you need a little help in determining if you want to join us on this crazy ride based on the topics we cover, here are a few: flat earth theory, running monoculture, the mind as immune system, recovery, failure/mistakes are required, capitalism, suffering well, etc. This is the podcast epis…
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The Innerwork Dialogues 09: Personal & Spiritual Growth
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1:18:26The continuing dialogues between Steve & Kobe around running & what we call the spiritual. In this episode we unpack & examine the differences between personal growth & spiritual growth: how they are different, the ways they feed forward & backward into each other & share some deeply personal ways in which we both have "struggled well" in relations…
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The taper is the least discussed aspect of a runner's training plan that causes the most distress in the 2-3 weeks before a command performance race. Michael & Steve break it all down in this episode. Godspeed, y'all!By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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The beginning of the end of the Running on Purpose podcast is the new beginning of the RunGnosis project. This episode covers the reasons for the transition & introduces the general message & intent of RunGnosis. After this intro, Steve covers the reasons why every runner should be focused on their inner experience of running as much as their goals…
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A conversation exploring beauty & how it plays into our experiences of running.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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Love Portals: The Psychology of Running
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1:00:26In this episode of the Keep Going podcast, Michael & I discuss the psychology of running.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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The Innerwork Dialogues 08: No Lies
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1:30:10This is the final episode in our “apophatic” series, where we tackle the topic of No Lies. An overarching theme is my personal experience around the toxicity of modern Western culture & how it creates many challenges for runners.By Telos Running
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The Mysteries of Racing Strategy: Practice That Shit Now!
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1:06:47In this episode we trace many of the mistakes that an athlete makes at the midpoint of their training for a big command performance. Ostensibly, it is about dialing your strategies in way before race day: pacing for your race, dialing a specific strategy, fine tuning nutrition, getting your shit straight NOW! Don't make the mistake of waiting until…
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Rhythm & Pattern: Curiosity & Creativity in Training
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1:12:27We finally take a break from all the track & field talk & get back to talking training. Michael has been following the telos Running training model in preparation for his upcoming marathon in Detroit. In this episode we catch back up with his training progress, answer some questions & do what we are pretty "famous" for here at Keep Going, talking s…
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🏁Track Geeks Unite! 🏁 - The Olympic Are Halfway Through
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1:07:15Halfway through the Olympic Games, Michael continues to reflect on his track & field education. We reflect on our experiences as fans during the amazing Paris Olympics. This episode was recorded on August 8th, about halfway through the Olympics T&F events. We know we are risking a little overkill for some of you who prefer our discussions around ru…
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Track & Field Is A Complete Shitshow - Olympic Trials/Pre-Games Discussion
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1:19:31Definitely a provocative title, but true to how a new fan has experienced this compressed tutoring in the sport. This episode was recorded way back in early July, post-Olympic Trials & Pre-Olympics. For certain this is outdated discussion but we still feel like its interesting listening for those who have been following our ongoing attempts to turn…
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Dangerous Decisions: Mileage, Phases & Doubles
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58:46You can't get strong & fast at the same time. -Steve Sisson A mistake many runners make at some point in their running career is breaking the rule above. This episode covers the dangers of ramping up mileage while in the specific phase of a training plan. Steve describes the phases that he uses in any training program: Base, Foundations, Specific &…
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This is a special episode discussing/analyzing the first half of the Olympic Trials this past week in Eugene. The Women's 800m Final Video The Women's 5000m Final Video The Men's 1500m Final The Men's 10,000m FinalBy Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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The Innerwork Dialogues 07: No Assumptions
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1:35:17In he fourth episode in our "apophatic" series, we cover no assumptions. Godspeed, my friends, godspeed.By Telos Running
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Training Data for Runners: A Conversation with Coros' Darian Allberry
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1:13:55In this special edition of Keep Going, Michael & Steve interview Darian Allberry, Head of User Experience or "Product Translator" at Coros. They discuss smartwatches, GPS & data & their uses in our training experience.By Michael Krajicek & Steve Sisson
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This episode ends up being a continuation of last week's discussion around the important aspects any runner should be considering when starting a training plan. We covered so much ground last week but it felt to us that there were still things we needed to address. Every runner who embarks on a training journey desires transformation. Ultimately, e…
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The Innerwork Dialogues 06: Deeper Reflections
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1:45:24In the 6th installment of the "Kobe & Steve Show", which I call The Innerwork Dialogues, we start in a more contemplative mood & take our time in getting around to our planned discussion topic of No Assumptions. In fact, we realized about an hour in that we'd really not specifically addressed the topic but instead spent our time reflecting on the i…
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Last time around we covered the essentials of a quality session. This time around we attempt to cover what to consider when starting a training cycle. Jury is out on whether we succeed or not. What we most certainly do is get our rant on. Steve pops off all over the goddamn place. Trigger warnings for vegans, overreachers, those who are full of shi…
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Form Ever Follows Function: Crafting Quality Workouts
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1:17:48What makes a workout something other than just a run? In this training deep dive, Michael & Steve describe the architecture of a workout. The two categories we use are form & function - following the famous quote of Louis Sullivan: "Form ever follow function." The full quote is pretty cool, actually: Whether it be the sweeping eagle in his flight, …
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