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When becoming and un-becoming who you are one step at a time isn’t quite enough, take two. Join multi-passionate audionaut, Stephen Henning, in questions of life, art, and spirit as we look to the sky, the subterranean, and the beautiful boundary layer we all inhabit.
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Ravel

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We all grew up in different parts of American Christianity, and we still keep thinking about how to take it seriously, even as we leave some beliefs behind. Join us our round-table discussion as we ravel out our faith in a complex world, pulling on one thread at a time, seeking Meaning at the end of it all.
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Whiskey Bench

Whiskey Bench

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Welcome to the Whiskey Bench, where we pair cocktails with conversation. Whether we’re diving deep into a meaty subject like the history of fascism or why monetary policy drives inflation, or just bringing you the highlights of a crazy news week, we aim to look past the simple answers and discuss the complexity of our wild world. So pull up a chair, pour yourself a drink, and join us on the Whiskey Bench.
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Know Normal People

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"The only normal people you know are the ones you don't know very well." Stephen and Dixie Lee Henning prove that the more you get to K-N-O-W the normal people in your life, you'll discover that there really are N-O normal people in your life.
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Every company knows that if it doesn't innovate it dies, but at the moment of truth, very few are creating and developing an innovative culture. That's why every month we discover 'inusual' leaders who tell us how they do it and help us connect the dots between leadership and innovation.
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Suzy shares the joy of watching wild birds, from her garden visitors in southern England to birds seen internationally. Learn how to identify species, notice their behaviours, and recognize songs and calls. Join Suzy for recorded bird outings, interviews with experts and enthusiasts, and stories from birders around the world. Suzy says: “Birding is a great pastime. It can be done with others or alone. You don't need expensive equipment, your eyes or ears are enough. And best of all, the Casu ...
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Welcome to Two Steps with Stephen Henning! This is the inaugural launch of my “contemplative audionaut series”. An experimental podcast style where I invite you to listen in a contemplative sit. My two definitions of this term I coined, contemplative audionaut, are as follows: An explorer of inner and outer worlds of experience through sound, guide…
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In this moving conversation, Victoria Loorz and Justine Afra Huxley explore kincentric leadership as both an unlearning and an emergence — a return to sacred relationship with Earth and a new way of living as spiritual leaders. Drawing from Sufi tradition, spiritual ecology, and deep listening to the more-than-human world, Justine invites us into a…
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We're back, and we explore whether transitional beliefs are helpful or harmful in faith journeys. We dig into slippery slopes, the power of personal values, and how openness (not rigidity) often shapes a healthier spiritual life. Along the way, we debate if progressive Christianity is truly an “off-ramp” out of faith, or just a new way to stay on t…
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In this moving episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz is joined by Four Arrows (Don Trent Jacobs)—Cherokee author, scholar, and Lakota pipe carrier—for a profound conversation centered on reclaiming a kinship-based worldview. Drawing from Indigenous wisdom, never-before-told personal vision stories, and decades of advocacy, Four Arrows shares how…
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On our first episode of the Holy Wild, Victoria speaks with producer Stephen about the vision for the podcast. Victoria shares her answers to the questions we intend to ask every guest, including "tell me about the land that raised you?" and "what's a recent experience you've had with the holy and wild?" They also introduce elements of the podcast …
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In this month's birding catch-up, Suzy chats with her husband John about the birds they saw in February. After a slower start to the year thanks to a holiday abroad, they were keen to get back out birding and boost their 2025 bird list. The conversation delves into the sites they visited, their top birding moments, and their respective bird counts …
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Conservationist and bird guide Rob Williams shares the wonder of birding in Peru. From the coastal deserts to the Amazon Basin, Rob highlights the diverse habitats that are home to over 1800 bird species. Rob also shares how he would spend a fantasy birding day. Recorded live at Global BirdFair 2024. Links PromPeru’s birding website is: https://bir…
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For International Women’s Day 2025 we hear from women birders from around the world. They share the motivations behind their birding passion and provide insights into the impact of birdwatching on personal well-being. Participants: Emily, Nish, Sarah, Colette, Charlie - UK Kristina - Germany Kate, Kirsty - Australia Chiara - Italy Steph - USA Links…
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Suzy takes a late afternoon walk with conservationist and author Ajay Tegala at Wicken Fen nature reserve in Cambridgeshire. As they sit in a hide waiting to see Marsh and Hen Harriers coming in to roost, Ajay shares the captivating diversity of wildlife he encounters in his work, and the management techniques that preserve this internationally imp…
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Faraaz Abdool is a published wildlife photographer, writer, and international tour guide. Hailing from Trinidad and Tobago, Faraaz's deep connection to nature led him to shift from a career in engineering to focus on wildlife and habitat preservation. His book 'Casual Birding in Trinidad and Tobago' not only showcases the region's bird species thro…
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Episode Notes Suzy reviews her birding experiences from January 2025, starting with the final week of an epic vacation to Australia! Back in the UK Suzy joined a local RSPB outing and went to the New Forest with the Ladybirder sub-group of the Hampshire Ornithlogical Society (HOS). While in the New Forest Suzy spoke with HOS Chair Keith Betton abou…
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Welcome back to Two Steps with Stephen Henning! On this episode, I tell a story about a failed experiment, a friend to introduce, and a set of words that have unlocked all sorts of possibilities for my soul. Connect with me by visiting stephenghenning.com. Here, you can: Sign up for Transcript Plus+ editions for each Two Steps episodes Subscribe to…
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***CW: There is a brief mention of suicide at 39:48 and a story involving the following memorial service lasting until 41:20. If you or a loved one are experiencing mental health struggles, please call or text the Crisis Lifeline at 988. Please listen gently and carefully.*** Allow us to set the table for a classic Christian conundrum: who gets to …
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Truly, this is just one of those episodes you have to listen to to believe. Josh does a book report on The Xanue: Befriending the Bigfoot Forrest People (no link provided because we don't actually think you should buy the book). Bigfoot is a missionary for the gospel of Christ Jesus. There are warring factions of shapeshifters fighting to confuse a…
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Welcome to Two Steps With Stephen Henning! Allow me to introduce myself in a few different facets, explain a bit on what this podcast is called and why, and invite you into an embodied exercise on your dreams and aspirations. Connect with me by visiting stephenghenning.com. Here, you can: Sign up for Transcript Plus+ editions for each Two Steps epi…
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In this episode, we volley interpretations around the story of Pharoah not letting the Israelites go because of his "hardened heart." What does it mean? In the light and heat of YHWH, was Pharoah more like mud baking dry rather than wax melting smooth? And what the heck do we do with the New Testament's "Unforgivable Sin"? And ultimately, are we lo…
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WHO'S YOUR DADDY??? Ravel is back from the unplanned break and ready to gooooo! We're bringing you an episode that was, admittedly, recorded months ago, but it is no less fun. We're getting into the reading of the Hebrew word "ABBA" as we try to figure out where the heck this whole "daddy" business started as it's used to refer to God. (FACT CHECK:…
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Host Suzy speaks with Sandra Morocho (Birdwatchers of Quijos Valley, Ecuador) and Michaela Leeb (Swarovski-Optik). Sandra lives in the cloud forest on the eastern slopes of the Andes in Ecuador. In 2014 she won a pair of binoculars in the Digiscoper of the Year competition run by Swarovski-Optik. Using the binoculars stoked Sandra’s enthusiasm for …
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Naturalist, author and broadcaster Stephen Moss joins Suzy in a wide-ranging conversation covering the importance of supporting younger members of the wildlife community, recovery from serious illness and the challenges of making individual efforts to mitigate the biodiversity crisis. Recorded live at Global Birdfair 2023 Links: Global BirdFair inf…
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Ecologist, writer, and wildlife presenter Mike Dilger is a familiar face from his appearances on popular shows such as BBC's The One Show and Springwatch. With a lifelong passion for plants, insects, and birds, Mike has dedicated his career to studying and understanding wildlife. His extensive fieldwork has taken him around the world. As a respecte…
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Stephen says "there are a lot of god shaped ghosts in my attic." Josh takes the idea and runs with it, saying that "we will always be haunted by the Holy Ghost, but it is up to us whether it's like Casper the friendly ghost or like a poltergeist." Mentioned in the episode: Lofi Girl iOS Mental Health Check-In Feature Beedle The Bardcore Support us:…
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Alan Davis and Ruth Miller are passionate birders. In 2008 they gave up their jobs and sold everything to embark on an epic year-long quest to see and hear as many bird species as possible. After many adventures, on a journey taking them around the world, their final total was an amazing 4341 species, achieving a world record for the most species s…
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Thank you for your supreme patience while we took an unscheduled break for a couple months! We're back with a conversation about the historical Jesus! Specifically, we're avoiding talking about "the Christ," instead focusing on the ideas of Jesus' humanity. Speculations include: as a devout Jewish man, he was likely married; he was likely born in N…
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Join the Whiskey Bench as Kat and Stephen discuss squatter rights, spending packages, cannibalism, and inner monologues. Ranch Water 3 oz. blanco tequila 1 1/2 oz. fresh lime juice (about 1 shot) Topo Chico, chilled Fresh lime wedge for garnish Add ice to your favorite glass, and pour in tequila and lime juice. Top of with Topo Chico, and garnish w…
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***This episode includes discussion of nihilism, meaninglessness, and suicide. If you or someone you know are experiencing suicidal thoughts or a crisis, please contact the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988 or visit 988lifeline.org. Please listen with care.*** Josh wonders if we ever escape nihilism. Stephen is ready to embrace the existential mea…
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When does honest and earnest transparency tip into oversharing and misplaced attention seeking? (the podcasters ask, fully acknowledging what irony this invites...) What is gossip actually? How can information shared amongst a community be helpful for reinforcing good boundaries and expectations without tipping into harmful rumor-mongering? Mention…
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Join the Whiskey Bench for a casual session of talking shop. Kat and Stephen riff about "new" information revealing some shady dealings surrounding transsexual "healthcare", a movement in the west seeking to undermine freedom of speech, migration, state of the union, and a handful of rants the round it off. Singapore Sling 1 ½ ounces gin ½ ounce ch…
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Really though? When it's essentially the only human experience that is truly universal, that we all will die, why do we have such a bad relationship with it? Stephen wonders if the fear of death is something religion does to inspire fear to win converts. "Oh death, where is your sting?" Perhaps we got it all wrong and what we thought was a sting wa…
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Join the Whiskey Bench for its 2024 kickoff. After a hiatus of nearly 8 months, Kat and Stephen are back! This episode is all about talking shop, and catching up. Gin Blossom 2 oz gin half a lemon 1/2 oz Lillet Blanc 1/4 oz St. Germain Shake all ingredients and serve in your favorite glass garnished with a lemon peel. Remember, always drink respons…
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It's about time we check in on our thoughts on money, huh? A lot has changes since the teen episodes of our podcast and Josh is wondering "does it matter where money comes from?" Unsurprisingly, we talk about the implications of philanthropy, giving vs tithing mindset, the churches that are greasy and gross about money, and the ones who could be do…
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Why don't more people wonder about what Jesus himself thought the church would be? Would Jesus like what we've done with the place? Or would he think we completely missed the mark from what he had in mind when he told Peter "upon this rock I will build my church"? These questions and more as we grapple with the greek ecclesia and play a wild hypoth…
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Stephen has officially entered his atheist Philosophy Era (think Taylor Swift's Reputation Era with equal amounts of confidence with a dash of ennui-bordering-on-nihilism) and wants to play with the classic thought experiment presented by Blaise Pascal: the famous "wager." We discuss the misconceptions and misapplications as used by evangelical Chr…
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Dick and Andrew Woods, who operate the family business behind Finches Friend bird feeders, prioritise the health of garden birds in the design of their products. A passionate designer, Dick set out to revolutionise bird feeding practices by confronting the disease and contamination risks that exist wherever we feed our garden birds. Not only do the…
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We at the pod are using the classic New Year energy to reevaluate priorities and goals and have come to a decision to dial back the pod to an every-other-week release schedule. We have additionally decided to retire our social media presence as @ravelpod. Stay subscribed and look forward to a new episode next week! Support us: Join our Patreon comm…
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We're starting the year off right by talking about the cRiNgE thrown around by Christians and atheists alike. What's at the root of the cringe response? Why do we hate it? What do we love to hate it? Mentioned in the episode: Matthew 18:15-20 Support us: Join our Patreon community and buy us a drink at patreon.com/ravelpod for as little as $3/mo! S…
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ROB BELL pulls up a stool to the Ravel table! We're overjoyed to bring you one final audio offering in the year of our Lord, 2023, where Stephen and Emily get to spend a whole 90 minutes with the singular Robell (with one B) in the great living room in the sky. Stephen guides our time together as he deep dives into Rob's newest NOVEL entitled Where…
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Emily is feeling reflective this year about where we've had the comforts come and go from our lives. But Stephen is feeling silly and derails the episode almost immediately by insisting the LOTR quote Emily brought to share was actually from the blockbuster film masterpiece, The Chicken Run. But then, of course, we get back on track as we talk abou…
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We're doing some soul care today while Stephen struggles with what Josh affectionately coins as "the downward dog-ness of the soul." Experiencing a darkness and a weight on the soul, we discuss the feelings of being in exile and discuss Emily's life-giving definition of self care: creating a life that you do not want to escape. Mentioned in the epi…
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What has us coming back, again and again, to the Bible? Josh thinks it has something to do with the nature of the written word in general, that we bias writings as more "truthy" because they are written. We discuss how we encounter writing differently over time, even when the writing isn't changing. And we ponder what Christianity would look like i…
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Taking a suggestion from the voicemail box today, we consider the role of negative emotions in our lives and in our church and wonder why we're all so bent on stuffing them down and moving on. We discuss the embodiment of such emotions as what is actually called positive or negative, instead of the emotions themselves. As river water flowing throug…
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You'd think, with an American faith-based podcast releasing an episode so close to the holiday of Thanksgiving, that we'd enjoy a lighthearted meditation on what we're grateful for in our lives and the nature of gratitude in general... BUT NO! Instead, we dive headfirst into the harm perpetuated around the world by Eurocentric Christianity, wieldin…
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What begins as an exercise in classifying religion ends in a deeply personal conversation about the impacts of eschatological theology. We adopt a comparative lens to view modern Christianity against its ancient expression, asking questions like "Is it a failed apocalyptic project?" and "As such, was it inevitable that it became a dominant-state re…
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We suppose it's about time we reflect and ask, "has this just been idle talk?" After all, it seems like everyone has a podcast these days! Are we guilty of the same old theobro energy that we find so problematic or are we part of a reclamation of normal people doing theology? We'll let you come to your own conclusions. Mentioned in the episode: Mat…
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Think of all the thoughts that haven't been thought. Or the writings that haven't been written. Where do they come from and how do they visit us in our minds? We take a voicemail today from a listener who is wondering what we mean when we say something is "inspired"? Does it necessarily have to be divine intervention? What is that creative spark th…
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If you have a moment, would you consider listening to our humble podcast? We know you have finite time and attention, but we'd be honored to welcome you at the table. Today, we peer curiously at the ticking clock of the universe and share our experiences of time, how we try to stop it, and how present actions can not only write futures but also rew…
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We're really leaning into the spooky season and discussing the reality of ghosts! Contemplating the mysteries of space, time, and consciousness, we think maybe one day even science could reasonably explain ghostly experiences. On a spiritual level, we think maybe they are folks who refuse to move on, spirits in limbo with unfinished business. We, o…
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Like, seriously, could you tell us without listening to the episode first? It seems as though "gnosticism" is a Christian boogeyman term used to slander anyone thinking outside of orthodoxy! It's been used to denigrate other denominations, deconstruction, mysticism, other religions. Can we please define our terms?! And once we do so, can we spot it…
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STARTER PACK: We Clearly Disagree Have you ever wondered if life is somewhere out there among the stars? Maybe even looking back at us? How would your theology change? Emily brings us many questions about alien life and the impacts to our structures of belief. Mentioned in the episode: Josh's TikTok YHP to Consider Quakerism and Panentheism (God = …
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The Patreon group spoke and got us to consider biblical marriage in all it's forms. What does the bible describe about marriage versus prescribe? Was Paul potentially a marriage abolitionist at the end of the day? And why does it make us uncomfortable to consider the (likely) possibility of Jesus of Nazareth being married? Mentioned in the episode:…
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