We all grew up in different parts of American Christianity, and we still keep thinking about how to take it seriously, even as we leave some beliefs behind. Join us our round-table discussion as we ravel out our faith in a complex world, pulling on one thread at a time, seeking Meaning at the end of it all.
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Join author and founder of the Center for Wild Spirituality, Victoria Loorz, as she explores the possibilities of restoring beloved community and sacred conversation with All That Is: human and more-than-human.
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When becoming and un-becoming who you are one step at a time isn’t quite enough, take two. Join multi-passionate audionaut, Stephen Henning, in questions of life, art, and spirit as we look to the sky, the subterranean, and the beautiful boundary layer we all inhabit.
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Welcome to the Whiskey Bench, where we pair cocktails with conversation. Whether we’re diving deep into a meaty subject like the history of fascism or why monetary policy drives inflation, or just bringing you the highlights of a crazy news week, we aim to look past the simple answers and discuss the complexity of our wild world. So pull up a chair, pour yourself a drink, and join us on the Whiskey Bench.
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"The only normal people you know are the ones you don't know very well." Stephen and Dixie Lee Henning prove that the more you get to K-N-O-W the normal people in your life, you'll discover that there really are N-O normal people in your life.
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This weekday show brings excellent guests to discuss topics such as health, nutrition, spirituality, relationships, and personal growth.
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Every company knows that if it doesn't innovate it dies, but at the moment of truth, very few are creating and developing an innovative culture. That's why every month we discover 'inusual' leaders who tell us how they do it and help us connect the dots between leadership and innovation.
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What We are Learning from the Holy Wild about Spiritual Companionship with Deb Metzger and Elizabeth Rechter
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57:08What does it mean to listen with the Holy Wild? In this episode, Victoria Loorz is joined by Elizabeth Rechter and Deb Metzger—two seasoned spiritual companions and guides in the Eco-Spiritual Direction program from Seminary of the Wild Earth. Together they reflect on the sacred practice of holy listening in partnership with the more-than-human wor…
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Tracey Stroup, ND, Using God’s Farmacy to Restore the Body
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57:10I first learned about Tracey Stroup, ND, during the Annie Appleseed Conference. I remember taking lots of notes as she revealed how aligning with God’s original design, or what she calls “God’s Farmacy,” can restore the body and renew health naturally. Dr. Stroup shares how foods, herbs, and even peptides are part of a divine healing blueprint buil…
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... but we're actually not going anywhere! Just different. Join us: Join our free Discord community by emailing us at [email protected] for an invite link! Take a minute to drop us a 5-star rating and a 1-2 sentence review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify! Credits: Theme Song: In Full Color by Louie Zong on Spotify and Bandcamp Artwork: Yarn and R…
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Natural disasters often ignite spiritual reflection, but what if the apocalypse isn’t destruction, but transformation? In this episode, we trace the line between eschatology and ecology, questioning the theology that sees disaster as divine judgment and exploring what it means to live as responsible stewards in a world crying out for renewal. Host …
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John Silva, DC, A Multi Therapeutic Approach to Brain Health
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57:13What if your memory, focus, and emotional balance could be restored, not by masking symptoms, but by addressing the root causes of brain dysfunction? John Silva, DC, is making a difference in his clinic by helping his patients understand the mind and neurologic disorders. Dr. Silva loves digging deep into the powerful lifestyle strategies that can …
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Sean Devlin, DO, Breaking the Mold of Cancer Care with Integrative Oncology
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57:13Integrative oncologist Sean Devlin, DO, has over two decades of experience. He is challenging the conventional cancer care model by blending cutting-edge science with holistic healing. As a board-certified physician in Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine and a founder of the International Organization of Integrative Cancer Physicians, Dr. Devlin b…
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Celtic Wisdom for Reconnecting with Place with Seán Ó Gaoithín
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1:17:48In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with Sean Ó Gaoithín, the lead gardener at Glenveagh National Park, Irish forest-tender and a third-level Hedge Druid, about his journey of ecological restoration, ancestral reconnection, and spiritual practice. They share how sacred relationship with land is remembered through language, biodi…
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WAVwatch, The Best Sound Frequency Watch, EVER! Linda Bamber-Olson, ND
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58:17I’ve always believed that we are exactly where we need to be. Meeting Linda Bamber-Olson of WAVwatch, reaffirmed the power of staying curious and open to new healing modalities. While attending The Beljanski Cancer Conference, I discovered WAVwatch, a unique watch that uses healing sound frequencies without relying on Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or emitting …
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Stephen Petteruti, DO, Strategies to Fight Prostate Cancer Like a Man
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56:03We often panic at the word cancer. For men diagnosed with prostate cancer, it can feel like a threat to their very identity. Many fear it signals the end of their masculinity. But what if there’s a better, bolder way to approach treatment? Stephen Petteruti, DO, empowers his patients to “fight prostate cancer like a man” by challenging outdated bel…
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Nasha Winters, ND, A Metabolic Approach to Cancer & Mistletoe
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57:14At 19, Nasha Winters, ND, FABNO, L.Ac., Dipl.OM, was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer and given just three months to live. What seemed like the end of her life, became the start of a lifelong mission to change the way we understand and treat cancer. Now a cancer survivor, naturopathic oncologist, and author of The Metabolic Approach to Cancer …
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Henning Saupe, MD, Why Metabolic Support Is Key in Cancer Treatment
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59:02Can addressing the body’s metabolism really make a difference in cancer care? Henning Saupe, MD, author of Holistic Cancer Medicine, and founder of Arcadia Praxisklinik, believes it can, and must. After witnessing the toll conventional treatments took on his mother, Dr. Saupe was inspired to explore a gentler, more supportive path. He now helps pat…
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Jennifer Gramith, ND, CLT, The Healing Code for Peptides & Immunity
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55:30What if your body already holds the key to healing and you simply need to unlock it? Jennifer Gramith, ND, CLT, of Rightway Health and Wellness has guided us through the importance of our lymphatic system. She has shown us how to deal with emotions and how to balance our mindset. She has helped us cleanse our Gallbladder/Liver while introducing cut…
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John Silva, DC, Preventing Dementia Naturally
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59:14Is it possible for dementia to be prevented naturally? John Silva, DC, is making a difference in his clinic by helping his patients understand the mind and neurologic disorders. Dr. Silva will help us explore the powerful lifestyle strategies that can protect our brain and preserve our memory. From the role of inflammation and toxins to the impact …
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What Is Church of the Wild? with Valerie Luna Serrels
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1:00:55In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with her sister and co-author, Valerie Luna Serrels, about the transformative movement of Wild Church. Together they explore how sacred relationship with Earth is being rekindled through embodied spiritual practice, intentional community, and the reclamation of ancient ways of knowing. They re…
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Joel Fuhrman, MD, Plant Based Cancer Solutions Summit
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55:48World renowned, New York Times bestselling author, Joel Fuhrman, MD, has been sharing evidence-based research about healing our bodies with a Nutritarian lifestyle. There is a powerful connection between a plant-based diet and cancer prevention. As the host of the upcoming Plant-Based Cancer Solutions Summit, on June 24–28, 2025, Dr. Fuhrman shares…
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Re-Enchanting the World Through Relationship with Brother Coyote (Gary Paul Nabhan)
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53:10In this profound conversation, Victoria Loorz is joined by ethnobotanist, Franciscan brother, and spiritual ecologist Gary Paul Nabhan—also known as Brother Coyote—exploring themes of cultural and spiritual resistance, sacred relationship with the land, and the transformative power of remembering ancient ways. Gary shares stories of his time with I…
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In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with author and public theologian Brian McLaren about how to live with love, courage, and imagination in the midst of ecological and societal collapse. Rooted in McLaren’s latest book, Life After Doom, their conversation invites us into a deeper spirituality that faces reality without losing h…
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Welcome to Two Steps with Stephen Henning! This is the inaugural launch of my “contemplative audionaut series”. An experimental podcast style where I invite you to listen in a contemplative sit. My two definitions of this term I coined, contemplative audionaut, are as follows: An explorer of inner and outer worlds of experience through sound, guide…
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Kincentric Leadership: The Unlearning And Emergence Of A New Kind Of Spiritual Leader with Justine Afra Huxley
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49:44In this moving conversation, Victoria Loorz and Justine Afra Huxley explore kincentric leadership as both an unlearning and an emergence — a return to sacred relationship with Earth and a new way of living as spiritual leaders. Drawing from Sufi tradition, spiritual ecology, and deep listening to the more-than-human world, Justine invites us into a…
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183. Transitional Beliefs As Offramps and Onramps
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45:44We're back, and we explore whether transitional beliefs are helpful or harmful in faith journeys. We dig into slippery slopes, the power of personal values, and how openness (not rigidity) often shapes a healthier spiritual life. Along the way, we debate if progressive Christianity is truly an “off-ramp” out of faith, or just a new way to stay on t…
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Indigenous Worldview Can Preserve Our Existence with Four Arrows (Don Trent Jacobs)
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52:25In this moving episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz is joined by Four Arrows (Don Trent Jacobs)—Cherokee author, scholar, and Lakota pipe carrier—for a profound conversation centered on reclaiming a kinship-based worldview. Drawing from Indigenous wisdom, never-before-told personal vision stories, and decades of advocacy, Four Arrows shares how…
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On our first episode of the Holy Wild, Victoria speaks with producer Stephen about the vision for the podcast. Victoria shares her answers to the questions we intend to ask every guest, including "tell me about the land that raised you?" and "what's a recent experience you've had with the holy and wild?" They also introduce elements of the podcast …
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From the Center For Wild Spirituality, The Holy Wild, hosted by Victoria Loorz. Connect with the Center: Website: wildspirituality.earth Victoria's Website: victorialoorz.com Email: [email protected] Linktree: linktr.ee/ctrforwildspirituality Instagram: @center_for_wild_spiritualityBy Victoria Loorz
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Welcome back to Two Steps with Stephen Henning! On this episode, I tell a story about a failed experiment, a friend to introduce, and a set of words that have unlocked all sorts of possibilities for my soul. Connect with me by visiting stephenghenning.com. Here, you can: Sign up for Transcript Plus+ editions for each Two Steps episodes Subscribe to…
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***CW: There is a brief mention of suicide at 39:48 and a story involving the following memorial service lasting until 41:20. If you or a loved one are experiencing mental health struggles, please call or text the Crisis Lifeline at 988. Please listen gently and carefully.*** Allow us to set the table for a classic Christian conundrum: who gets to …
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Truly, this is just one of those episodes you have to listen to to believe. Josh does a book report on The Xanue: Befriending the Bigfoot Forrest People (no link provided because we don't actually think you should buy the book). Bigfoot is a missionary for the gospel of Christ Jesus. There are warring factions of shapeshifters fighting to confuse a…
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Welcome to Two Steps With Stephen Henning! Allow me to introduce myself in a few different facets, explain a bit on what this podcast is called and why, and invite you into an embodied exercise on your dreams and aspirations. Connect with me by visiting stephenghenning.com. Here, you can: Sign up for Transcript Plus+ editions for each Two Steps epi…
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In this episode, we volley interpretations around the story of Pharoah not letting the Israelites go because of his "hardened heart." What does it mean? In the light and heat of YHWH, was Pharoah more like mud baking dry rather than wax melting smooth? And what the heck do we do with the New Testament's "Unforgivable Sin"? And ultimately, are we lo…
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WHO'S YOUR DADDY??? Ravel is back from the unplanned break and ready to gooooo! We're bringing you an episode that was, admittedly, recorded months ago, but it is no less fun. We're getting into the reading of the Hebrew word "ABBA" as we try to figure out where the heck this whole "daddy" business started as it's used to refer to God. (FACT CHECK:…
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Stephen says "there are a lot of god shaped ghosts in my attic." Josh takes the idea and runs with it, saying that "we will always be haunted by the Holy Ghost, but it is up to us whether it's like Casper the friendly ghost or like a poltergeist." Mentioned in the episode: Lofi Girl iOS Mental Health Check-In Feature Beedle The Bardcore Support us:…
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177. Jesus: The Man, The Myth, The Legend
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46:00Thank you for your supreme patience while we took an unscheduled break for a couple months! We're back with a conversation about the historical Jesus! Specifically, we're avoiding talking about "the Christ," instead focusing on the ideas of Jesus' humanity. Speculations include: as a devout Jewish man, he was likely married; he was likely born in N…
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#84 Ranch Water + Squatters, Spending Bills, Cannibalism, and Inner Monologues
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1:35:57Join the Whiskey Bench as Kat and Stephen discuss squatter rights, spending packages, cannibalism, and inner monologues. Ranch Water 3 oz. blanco tequila 1 1/2 oz. fresh lime juice (about 1 shot) Topo Chico, chilled Fresh lime wedge for garnish Add ice to your favorite glass, and pour in tequila and lime juice. Top of with Topo Chico, and garnish w…
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***This episode includes discussion of nihilism, meaninglessness, and suicide. If you or someone you know are experiencing suicidal thoughts or a crisis, please contact the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988 or visit 988lifeline.org. Please listen with care.*** Josh wonders if we ever escape nihilism. Stephen is ready to embrace the existential mea…
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When does honest and earnest transparency tip into oversharing and misplaced attention seeking? (the podcasters ask, fully acknowledging what irony this invites...) What is gossip actually? How can information shared amongst a community be helpful for reinforcing good boundaries and expectations without tipping into harmful rumor-mongering? Mention…
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#83 Singapore Sling + Transgender Healthcare, Hate Speech Laws, and Migration
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1:36:06Join the Whiskey Bench for a casual session of talking shop. Kat and Stephen riff about "new" information revealing some shady dealings surrounding transsexual "healthcare", a movement in the west seeking to undermine freedom of speech, migration, state of the union, and a handful of rants the round it off. Singapore Sling 1 ½ ounces gin ½ ounce ch…
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Really though? When it's essentially the only human experience that is truly universal, that we all will die, why do we have such a bad relationship with it? Stephen wonders if the fear of death is something religion does to inspire fear to win converts. "Oh death, where is your sting?" Perhaps we got it all wrong and what we thought was a sting wa…
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Join the Whiskey Bench for its 2024 kickoff. After a hiatus of nearly 8 months, Kat and Stephen are back! This episode is all about talking shop, and catching up. Gin Blossom 2 oz gin half a lemon 1/2 oz Lillet Blanc 1/4 oz St. Germain Shake all ingredients and serve in your favorite glass garnished with a lemon peel. Remember, always drink respons…
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173. Does It Matter Where Money Comes From?
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36:21It's about time we check in on our thoughts on money, huh? A lot has changes since the teen episodes of our podcast and Josh is wondering "does it matter where money comes from?" Unsurprisingly, we talk about the implications of philanthropy, giving vs tithing mindset, the churches that are greasy and gross about money, and the ones who could be do…
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172. WTF Did Jesus Think The Church Would Be?!
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33:57Why don't more people wonder about what Jesus himself thought the church would be? Would Jesus like what we've done with the place? Or would he think we completely missed the mark from what he had in mind when he told Peter "upon this rock I will build my church"? These questions and more as we grapple with the greek ecclesia and play a wild hypoth…
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Stephen has officially entered his atheist Philosophy Era (think Taylor Swift's Reputation Era with equal amounts of confidence with a dash of ennui-bordering-on-nihilism) and wants to play with the classic thought experiment presented by Blaise Pascal: the famous "wager." We discuss the misconceptions and misapplications as used by evangelical Chr…
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We at the pod are using the classic New Year energy to reevaluate priorities and goals and have come to a decision to dial back the pod to an every-other-week release schedule. We have additionally decided to retire our social media presence as @ravelpod. Stay subscribed and look forward to a new episode next week! Support us: Join our Patreon comm…
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We're starting the year off right by talking about the cRiNgE thrown around by Christians and atheists alike. What's at the root of the cringe response? Why do we hate it? What do we love to hate it? Mentioned in the episode: Matthew 18:15-20 Support us: Join our Patreon community and buy us a drink at patreon.com/ravelpod for as little as $3/mo! S…
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Rob Bell: Where'd You Park Your Spaceship?
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1:29:40ROB BELL pulls up a stool to the Ravel table! We're overjoyed to bring you one final audio offering in the year of our Lord, 2023, where Stephen and Emily get to spend a whole 90 minutes with the singular Robell (with one B) in the great living room in the sky. Stephen guides our time together as he deep dives into Rob's newest NOVEL entitled Where…
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Emily is feeling reflective this year about where we've had the comforts come and go from our lives. But Stephen is feeling silly and derails the episode almost immediately by insisting the LOTR quote Emily brought to share was actually from the blockbuster film masterpiece, The Chicken Run. But then, of course, we get back on track as we talk abou…
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We're doing some soul care today while Stephen struggles with what Josh affectionately coins as "the downward dog-ness of the soul." Experiencing a darkness and a weight on the soul, we discuss the feelings of being in exile and discuss Emily's life-giving definition of self care: creating a life that you do not want to escape. Mentioned in the epi…
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What has us coming back, again and again, to the Bible? Josh thinks it has something to do with the nature of the written word in general, that we bias writings as more "truthy" because they are written. We discuss how we encounter writing differently over time, even when the writing isn't changing. And we ponder what Christianity would look like i…
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Taking a suggestion from the voicemail box today, we consider the role of negative emotions in our lives and in our church and wonder why we're all so bent on stuffing them down and moving on. We discuss the embodiment of such emotions as what is actually called positive or negative, instead of the emotions themselves. As river water flowing throug…
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165. Complicit In Christian Colonization
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1:00:26You'd think, with an American faith-based podcast releasing an episode so close to the holiday of Thanksgiving, that we'd enjoy a lighthearted meditation on what we're grateful for in our lives and the nature of gratitude in general... BUT NO! Instead, we dive headfirst into the harm perpetuated around the world by Eurocentric Christianity, wieldin…
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What begins as an exercise in classifying religion ends in a deeply personal conversation about the impacts of eschatological theology. We adopt a comparative lens to view modern Christianity against its ancient expression, asking questions like "Is it a failed apocalyptic project?" and "As such, was it inevitable that it became a dominant-state re…
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We suppose it's about time we reflect and ask, "has this just been idle talk?" After all, it seems like everyone has a podcast these days! Are we guilty of the same old theobro energy that we find so problematic or are we part of a reclamation of normal people doing theology? We'll let you come to your own conclusions. Mentioned in the episode: Mat…
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