Best Or Exploring The Beauty Of Grace With A Guest Podcasts (2025)

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From Survivor to Heretic: Leslie Nease's journey from fear to freedom. 58:03

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Leslie Nease, a former evangelical and Survivor China contestant, opens up about the moment her fear-based faith cracked and the grace that finally brought her home. From Survivor to Heretic is Leslie’s raw, courageous story of what happens when a lifetime of evangelical certainty begins to crack. Her journey didn’t unravel because of scandal—or fa…

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Between the Pulpit and the Pub (with Gavin Linderman) | Ep. 60 1:34:07

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What happens when a pastor decides the real mission field isn’t inside the church walls… but somewhere between the pulpit and the pub? In this episode, Gavin Linderman and I dive into the beautifully messy overlap of Anabaptist theology, creativity, and craft beverages. We talk about churches that accidentally turn coffee shops into Christian books…

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Too Human for Church: A former pastor’s story of failure, deconstruction, and unconditional love, with Steve White 31:29

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Sometimes the ones who preached grace the loudest are the ones who have to learn it the hardest. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson talks with Steve White, a former pastor and seminary-trained worship leader who lost everything, including his ministry, but found grace waiting in the wreckage. Steve’s story is one of failure, exile, and…

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(Bonus) Shirts and Skins: When Grace Refuses to Take Sides 10:22

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We love our sides. Teams, tribes, doctrines, denominations—lines in the sand that give us a sense of belonging, but also someone to fight against. From childhood football games of shirts versus skins to the way churches police communion tables, we learn to divide the world into “us” and “them.” But here’s the scandal of grace: God doesn’t play for …

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Religious Deconstruction: Losing your religion to find your soul, with Michael Camp 38:56

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Sometimes losing your religion is how you finally find your soul. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson sits down with Michael Camp—former missionary, Bible teacher, and author of Faith Funk: How to Break Free from Toxic Religion and Reboot a Healthy Spirituality. Michael’s story is a roadmap for anyone leaving fear-based faith behind. To…

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(Bonus) Being Held by Grace: It’s all going to work out for good, with Bob Hildreth 52:30

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From war zones to church pews, Bob found one truth: grace never stops reaching. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson sits down with Bob Hildreth—a pastor, storyteller, and spiritual wanderer who’s walked with both the holy and the hurting. Bob shares his story of religious trauma, healing, and the surprising discovery that grace is far b…

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A Beautiful Year (with Diana Butler Bass) | Ep. 59 1:30:06

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What if beauty isn’t something we chase, but something that’s been waiting for us all along? In this episode of Cabernet & Pray, we sit down with author and theologian Diana Butler Bass to talk about what it means to truly live a beautiful year. We discuss how joy, grief, and gratitude can all coexist at the same table. We explore what happens when…

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Hell is Choosing the Porch Over the Party: Loving God yet hating His generosity. 28:40

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What if hell isn’t God’s punishment—but our protest? In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson asks whether hell might simply be the porch outside the party—the place where the “good” and the religious stand, too offended by mercy to step into grace. Through the story of the prodigal son’s older brother, and other moments when Jesus flipped r…

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Becoming the Mom I Needed: Parenting beyond fear and religion, with Nadyia Horning 52:49

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How do you raise children with love when you were raised with fear? In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson talks with Nadyia Horning—a mother, advocate, and survivor of fundamentalist religion—about what it means to break the generational chains of fear and raise children with love instead of control. Nadyia shares her story of growing up …

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Evangelicalism vs. Universalism: Part 2—Progressive Christianity and the hope that Love Wins, with David Artman 41:28

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Can a good God condemn forever? Can love and justice truly coexist? And if the Gospel is good news, shouldn’t it be good for everyone? In Part 2 of Evangelicalism vs. Universalism, Jeromy and David Artman dive head-on into the debate: hell, judgment, free will, and the moral logic of universal salvation. It’s a passionate, respectful clash between …

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Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58 1:03:02

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What happens when Christianity gets weaponized for political gain? When culture wars hijack the gospel of love? In this episode, we unpack John Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, exploring why following Jesus might actually mean breaking up with some forms of Christianity. Pour a glass, lean in, and let’s talk about what it really mea…

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Evangelicalism vs. Universalism: Part 1—Rethinking Hell and the heart of the Gospel, with David Artman 32:08

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What if everything we were taught about hell was wrong—or at least incomplete? What if judgment wasn’t about eternal torment, but transformation? And what if grace is bigger, wider, and wilder than any of our doctrines can hold? In this first part of a two-episode conversation, Jeromy sits down with David Artman, author of Grace Saves All and host …

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Everyone Gets Some: The grace everyone deserves and no one earns, with Chris Jorgensen. 1:02:02

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If God’s love truly includes everyone, what does that say about how we live, forgive, and belong? In this conversation, Jeromy Johnson and Pastor Chris Jorgensen step into the deep waters of progressive Christianity and Christian universalism—the belief that divine love leaves no one out. Together they wrestle with fear, faith, justice, and the mys…

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The Fellowship of Guilt | Ep. 57 28:43

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What if doing the right thing still made you guilty? Dietrich Bonhoeffer believed that following Jesus sometimes meant stepping straight into the mess—into what he called “the fellowship of guilt.” But was he right? In this episode, we grapple with one of the most challenging ethical questions in the Christian narrative: Can faithfulness ever neces…

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(Bonus) Windows and Reality: Finding Grace in the Diversity of Faith 7:57

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What if you lived your whole life in one room, with only one window to the world? That limited view would become your entire reality—until one day, the door opened, and you discovered more rooms, more windows, more perspectives than you ever imagined. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson shares a story of discovery—an analogy for the Chr…

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Gray Hair Is Beautiful: Aging and death are not our enemies, with Jacob Kendall 47:45

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In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson sits down with Jacob Kendall—a scholar with backgrounds in theology, social work, public health, and gerontology, as well as an entrepreneur and survivor of two open-heart surgeries. Jacob’s journey is deeply interdisciplinary, blending science, faith, and lived experience to confront some of life’s b…

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Life Beyond Religious Exhaustion: Breathing in the freedom of grace. 14:51

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Have you ever felt like faith and religion was just… exhausting? Like you were carrying the weight of everyone else’s soul? Managing their beliefs, and your own? Living under endless rules and shoulds that always seemed to shift? In this episode, Jeromy Johnson shares how evangelicalism left him spiritually tired—like sleep apnea for the soul. And …

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Hell Bent (with Brian Recker) | Ep. 56 1:23:06

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What happens when Christians start rethinking the very idea of hell? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we sit down with Brian Recker to ask the questions many of us were told we weren’t allowed to ask. Is hell really eternal conscious torment? What about annihilation? Could universalism actually be more faithful to Jesus? And how do history, cu…

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Cheating Our Way Into Heaven, with Jonathan Brink 57:48

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Today, Jeromy welcomes a guest who feels less like an interview and more like a reunion. Jonathan Brink and Jeromy have known each other for decades—they’ve asked the dangerous questions together, laughed hard, wept at communion tables, and wrestled with a God who never seems to fit inside our boxes. Jonathan’s journey has taken him through deep wo…

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My Confession: Love Offends My Sense of Justice 9:28

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Belief is never neat. It is both anchor and sail, holding us steady, yet carrying us into uncharted waters. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy lays down his flag, not with arrogance, but with humility, on one central conviction: God’s love and grace are for all. From wrestling with our human limitations, to reimagining forgiveness as God’s gif…

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(Bonus) Grace for Charlie Kirk and for his killer? 5:08

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A bonus episode, this is my raw, initial thoughts and reactions to the shooting of Charlie Kirk. Does God give his love and grace to Charlie? What about the person who pulled the trigger? This puts the radical, expansive, universal, untamed grace of God to the test. This is when it counts. If not now and to these two people, then when? Send Jeromy …

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Downsizing Evangelicalism (with Michelle Van Loon) | Ep. 55 1:00:05

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What if the shrinking of evangelicalism isn’t a crisis to be feared but an opportunity to rediscover something truer, leaner, and more like Jesus? In this episode, I sit down with author Michelle Van Loon to talk about what’s being lost, what’s worth keeping, and why smaller might actually be better for the future of faith. Grab a glass, pull up a …

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It Was Good, Never Perfect: Rethinking the “Fall” 7:57

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We’ve been told the story starts with perfection—paradise lost in a single catastrophic moment. But what if that’s not how it happened? In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy revisits the opening pages of Genesis and the story of “The Fall.” Instead of a flawless world shattered by sin, we’ll explore a different picture: creation as good, but neve…

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Let's Talk About Hell: Raw and unscripted 13:50

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This week’s episode is different. No studio, no script—just Jeromy, sitting in his car between appointments, hitting record, and speaking honestly about one of the heaviest doctrines he grew up with: hell. Not the cartoon fire and pitchforks, but the teaching that most of humanity will be tortured forever. For years he felt like he wasn’t even allo…

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The War is Over: God has already declared peace 6:30

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In 1974, Japanese soldier Hiroo Onoda finally stepped out of the Philippine jungle—29 years after World War II had ended. For nearly three decades he refused to believe the leaflets that told him the fighting was finished. He lived as if peace was a lie. Many of us do the same with God. Jesus declared, “It is finished.” The war is over. But we stil…

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Slutty Grace: What's in a Name? 7:16

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The title might make you squirm—and that’s the point. Grace isn’t polite religion. It’s not tidy, respectable, or safe. Grace doesn’t wait for the worthy. She doesn’t check your credentials. She pours herself out—recklessly, promiscuously, without apology—on saints and screw-ups alike. In this opening episode, Jeromy wrestles with the elephant in t…

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Slutty Grace. A new podcast...Coming soon. 1:14

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I’m Jeromy, and this is Slutty Grace. Why call it that? Because grace refuses to behave. She doesn’t ask if you’ve been good, she doesn’t wait for permission, she doesn’t play by religious rules. She gives herself away—promiscuously, shamelessly, to people who don’t deserve it. The respectable have always hated this. They called it wasteful. Danger…

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The Water Had Not Yet Turned into Wine | Ep. 54 35:13

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What if you’re not the same person you used to be—and that’s exactly the point? In this episode, I explore the strange and beautiful truth that growth requires us to let old versions of ourselves fade away, like water waiting to be turned into wine. From awkward past opinions (yes, I found some of mine in print!) to Taylor Swift lyrics and even a l…

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Reviving the Golden Rule (with Andrew DeCort) | Ep. 53 1:36:00

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In this episode, we dig into why the most famous command in Christianity has become more of a coffee mug slogan than an actual way of life. We’ll explore how we’ve domesticated Jesus’ radical ethic into something polite and toothless… and what it would take to bring its wild, world-flipping power back. We’ll look at what happens when faith stops be…

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The Good News About Evil | Ep. 52 30:25

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What if evil is never as strong as it seems? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we wade into the heaviness of the world (child trafficking, genocide, injustice) and wrestle with what it means to have hope in the face of it. We explore a surprising biblical theme that runs throughout the Psalms and the prophets. We consider Bonhoeffer’s call to j…

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Shame-Sex Attraction (with Lucas Wilson) | Ep. 51 1:21:34

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What if we told the stories the church has tried to bury? In Episode 51 of Cabernet and Pray, I sit down with Lucas Wilson—academic, editor of Shame-Sex Attraction, and survivor. We dive into the sobering realities of conversion therapy, explore the toxic cocktail of shame and theology, and examine how fear—especially the fear of hell—is weaponized…

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What Makes a Nation Christian? | Ep. 50 33:13

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Is America a Christian nation? In this bold milestone episode of Cabernet and Pray, we take a hard look at Jesus’ own criteria for judging nations from Matthew 25. Spoiler: Jesus doesn’t mention Supreme Court rulings, Ten Commandments in schools, or how many evangelicals show up to vote. He talks about the poor, the immigrant, the sick, and the pri…

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The Cosmic Christ and Concrete Jesus (with Kevin Sweeney) | Ep. 49 1:13:39

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What if there’s more to Jesus than the guy in sandals from Nazareth? In this episode, Kevin Sweeney returns to dive into the deep end of the theological pool—exploring the radical beauty of the Cosmic Christ and the liberating call of the Concrete Jesus. It’s the episode where mysticism meets justice, the black prophetic tradition meets the mystics…

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The Paradox of Tolerance | Ep. 48 31:00

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What if loving your neighbor means confronting someone else? In this episode, Jeremy takes a deep dive into a misunderstood (and rarely discussed) concept in Christian ethics: the paradox of tolerance. What happens when hospitality toward one becomes hostility toward others? And what if Jesus intentionally excluded people... for the sake of the vul…

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Rethinking and Rebuilding (with Josh Patterson) | Ep. 47 1:49:49

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Ever wondered what happens when two theologically curious podcast hosts bring their shows together over a glass of wine? Episode 47 is part divine disruption, part spiritual therapy session, and 100% a good time. Jeremy Jernigan sits down with Josh Patterson of Rethinking Faith to talk about reconstructing theology, open and relational views of God…

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Theology with Imagination (with Brian Zahnd) | Ep. 46 1:12:55

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What happens when one of the most provocative theological voices of our time sits down with a glass of wine and reimagines everything? In this episode, Jeremy talks with Brian Zahnd about peacemaking, the prophetic role of the church, why evangelicalism may not recover, and what happens when we start to believe Jesus actually meant what he said. It…

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Curiosity and Poor Eyesight | Ep. 45 30:43

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What if the only thing separating you from deeper faith… is your doubt? In this episode, we uncork the connection between spiritual curiosity and our inability to see clearly — and why that’s not a flaw, but a feature of real theology. Jesus doesn’t demand certainty. He invites wonder. Click here to watch the episode on video. -------------- Join t…

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Queer and Christian (with Brandan Robertson) | Ep. 44 57:29

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This week, we’re uncorking a bold conversation that challenges assumptions, celebrates authenticity, and dives into the complexity of faith and identity. What does it mean to be queer and Christian? You’ll hear personal journeys, tough questions, unexpected grace, and the beauty of holding space for queerness in spirituality. Whether you're in the …

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#43: What's the Deal with Hell? 45:30

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Are there different ways to understand hell in Christianity? In this thought-provoking episode, Jeremy tackles one of the most challenging theological concepts that many struggle with. If you've ever questioned traditional teachings about eternal punishment or wondered if there are other interpretations supported by scripture, this episode offers a…

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#42: The Spirituality of Wine (with Gisela Kreglinger) 1:07:01

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What if drinking wine was more than just a pleasure—it was a spiritual practice? In this episode, we sit down with theologian and wine expert Gisela Kreglinger to explore the deep connections between wine, faith, and community. Growing up in a German winery, Gisela brings a unique perspective on how wine shapes our conversations, our celebrations, …

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#41: Why Christianity is Unfair 32:03

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Is karma real? Or does Jesus operate in a way that turns our sense of fairness upside down? In this episode, we dive into one of Jesus’ most radical parables from Matthew 20, exploring why fairness might not be the point—and why that’s actually good news. Grab a glass of wine and join us for a thought-provoking discussion on grace, justice, and wha…

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#40: The New Evangelicals (with Tim Whitaker) 1:02:36

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Join Jeremy and Tim Whitaker, founder of The New Evangelicals, for an unfiltered and entertaining conversation tackling tough topics in faith, church culture, and beyond—all while sipping on wine. Whether you're wrestling with your faith, navigating church hurt, or just curious about new perspectives, this episode delivers humor, depth, and a lot o…

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#39: The Worst Chapter in the Bible 30:29

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What happens when the God of the Old Testament seems unrecognizable next to the Jesus of the New Testament? In this thought-provoking episode of Cabernet and Pray, we tackle what Jeremy calls “the worst chapter in the Bible,” Numbers 31. Together, we confront the shocking themes of revenge, violence, and divine commands that seem incompatible with …

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#38: Loving Jesus Too Much 33:10

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Can you love Jesus so much that it leaves others feeling unloved? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we unpack a poignant quote from A.W. Tozer’s widow that has sparked a surprising amount of debate among Christians. Join us as we dive into what it truly means to balance a love for God with a love for others, all while sipping on a gorgeous 2021…

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#37: Church in the Brewery (with Mark McKinney) 1:10:39

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Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we explore the creative expressions of the church with Mark McKinney, an innovator who is challenging traditional church structures. We dive into the unpredictability of faith journeys, the critical need for true discipleship in modern Christianity, and the fascinating intersection of faith…

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#36: Star-Spangled Jesus (with April Ajoy) 1:05:34

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Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we're diving deep into the complexities of faith, politics, and personal transformation with our guest, April Ajoy. April, an author and content creator known for her book "Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding a True Faith," joins us to unpack the deconstruction movement amon…

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#35: The Wicked Servant 28:28

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Click here to watch the episode on video. Interested in staying in one of our short-term rentals in wine country? Click here to see our two homes. In today's episode, Jeremy shares some exciting personal updates, including the opening of a second rental property in Oregon wine country, the charmingly named "Vino Victorian." But the core of today's …

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#34: American Idolatry (with Andrew Whitehead) 1:03:05

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Click here to watch the episode on video. We're thrilled to have Andrew Whitehead, an esteemed professor of sociology and author of "American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church." In this episode, we dive into the complex world of Christian nationalism in America through Andrew's insightful lens. We explo…

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#33: Space Racism 35:20

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Click here to watch the episode on video. Want to join us on a wine and whiskey trip to Oregon? Find out more HERE. In this episode, we’re diving deep into the fascinating intersection of faith and technology, responding to your comments and critiques about our previous discussion on the ethics of robots. From accusations of irrelevance to insightf…

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#32: Tell Me When I Get There (with Sean Palmer) 1:01:13

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Click here to watch the episode on video. Want to join us on a wine and whiskey trip to Oregon? Find out more HERE. In this episode, Sean Palmer, author and teaching pastor at Ecclesia Houston, invites us on a thought-provoking journey discussing memorable wine experiences, evolving beliefs about wealth, and the pressing challenges facing Christian…