Co-hosted by industry veterans, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker, the weekly Beyond the Resume Podcast features interviews with some of the best known real estate experts in the U.S. By exploring how they built their successful careers and the impact they have made to the communities around them we hope to educate and inspire anyone building or thinking of building a career in real estate. Join us as we go Beyond the Resume.
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Feel better about marketing™ The go-to podcast for anyone trying to make sense of the world of marketing, business and beyond. In an industry that is a minefield of utter bollocks, we aim to capture our heroes and allies from the front line to have a chin-wag with. It’s like Pokémon Go, with the single but vital exception that it’s not a short-term bandwagon of shite. UK TOP 2 | US TOP 50 | RELEASED FORTNIGHTLY
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Tom Collishaw (A life devoted to hope and affordable housing)
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40:34👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/jweAvO99hZE • 👂 Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r How does a history major from New Jersey end up transforming housing for farm workers in California’s San Joaquin Valley? In this episode, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Tom Collishaw, President & CEO of Self-Help Enterprises, a nonprofit that has pioneered affor…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Richard Ross (Housing's New Gladiator)
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39:26👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/SJdBFyAKZeM • 👂 Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Richard Ross, CEO of Quinn Residences, to explore the rise of purpose-built single-family rental communities and what it takes to scale a real estate company from the ground up. Richard sh…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Peter DiCorpo (AI, Leadership, and Real Estate’s Future)
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44:31👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/VlYaLxptAlw • 👂 Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r On this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker welcome Peter DiCorpo, co-founder of Brook Farm Group, for a candid conversation about his journey from auditor at Arthur Andersen to building a multifamily development company during one of the most ch…
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169: Richard Shotton and MichaelAaron Flicker on hacking the human mind.
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1:03:29This week we broke a golden rule and crossed podcast streams with a pair of excellent guests, Richard Shotton and MichaelAaron Flicker, hosts of the Behavioural Science for Brands podcast and co-authors of the soon-to-be released (and definitely-to-be brilliant) Hacking The Human Mind. Richard is, of course, returning for a record third appearance …
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Beyond the Resume Summer Series w/ Brian Murray (Building Equitable Communities in Philadelphia)
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40:36👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/r0kcqCVD4Qs • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this Summer Series episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Brian Murray, Co-Founder and Principal of Shift Capital, to explore how impact real estate is reshaping Philadelphia’s neighborhoods. Brian shares his journey as a community-focused develop…
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Beyond the Resume Summer Series with Kent Colton (A Masterclass in Housing Policy and Innovation)
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42:24👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/RIhtHU0FrRA • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this Summer Series episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Kent Colton, President of the Colton Housing Group and one of the most respected voices in U.S. housing policy. With over 30 years of leadership experience at organizations like the Nationa…
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168: Professor Byron Sharp on a lifetime of learning in the marketing world
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53:28This week we tucked in our shirt, straightened our tie and resisted the temptation to nip off for a quick vape behind the pickle-ball court, all in order to suitably impress our guest, one of the world’s greatest marketing academics, Professor Byron Sharp. A man who would need no introduction (if we weren’t contractually obliged to provide all our …
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Beyond the Resume Summer Series featuring Jeff Brenner (Inside the $2B Affordable Housing Playbook)
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39:41👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/4ruADHqvsUg • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume, the Summer Series, we bring back the conversation with Jeff Brenner, President & CEO of Impact Community Capital and explore his 30-year journey in affordable housing and impact investing. Jeff shares how a “two-year plan” at a nonpro…
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Beyond the Resume Summer Series featuring Marie Murphy (Building a Real Estate Empire from Scratch)
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27:51In this Summer Series throwback of Beyond the Resume, we revisit a powerful conversation with Marie Murphy, Principal and CEO of MJD Capital Partners, a full-service development and management firm based in San Francisco. Marie opens up about her untraditional path into real estate—starting in pharmaceutical sales, pivoting into residential brokera…
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167: Lisa Parfitt on doing the business for women’s sport.
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59:23This week we’re pushing our withered hamstrings way beyond their wretched limits, all in order to win the attention of our guest, sport and brand marketing super-baller Lisa Parfitt. In a career that has been, figuratively, one top bin after the other, Lisa has done more than most to give women’s sport a serious platform, particularly when it comes…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Andrew Germansky (Building Housing that Heals) In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Andrew Germansky, Senior Vice President of Real Estate at Westhab, a leading nonprofit affordable housing developer and shelter operator in New York. Andrew discusses his journey from hi…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with David Kramer (Market-Rate Mindset, Mission-Driven Results)
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43:19👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/xiSqXKXpKtA • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume with Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker, we speak with David Kramer, President of Hudson Companies, about his unconventional entry into real estate, his leadership approach, and the values that have guided his work across three decades of urb…
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166: Harriet Knight and Hannah Penn on an agency world that’s open to all
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1:07:23This week we made difficult phone-calls to Ant & Dec, Torvill & Dean and, accidentally, the Neville Brothers, all in order to explain that the nation now has a new favourite double act – the joint chiefs of Pablo, Harriet Knight and Hannah Penn. Not content with leading Pablo to the very top of the creative charts in agency land – scooping up the G…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Sydne Garchik (Raising the bar on Resident Impact)
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34:32👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/PkVVUsrA_Rs • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Lisa Flicker and Chris Papa sit down with Sydne Garchik, Founder and President of MRK Partners, for an honest, fast-paced, and often hilarious conversation about building a national affordable housing company while raising a fam…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Ty Barnes (The Real About Real Estate Investing)
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26:44👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/V5eLHRtk-Fw • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Ty Barnes, Head of Investments at Comunidad Partners, for a wide-ranging conversation on leadership, career pivots, and how mission-driven investing is reshaping the future of real estat…
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165: Charlie Copsey on bringing fans experiences that aren’t f*ing boring
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50:11This week we tried to arrange a VIP brand event for Call To Action® fans in an abandoned toilet brush factory, all just to prove our cool credentials to Charlie Copsey, the founder of Underground Fan Club. Having conquered the media mountain earlier in her career – working in TV, radio and film with the likes of Johnny Vaughan and her good pal Coli…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Janea Jackson (Housing with Heart)
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40:59👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/uqwoJ0Rdq7U • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Janea Jackson, CEO of HomeRise, for a candid and deeply insightful conversation about leadership, legacy, and the urgent work of supportive housing in San Francisco. With roots in sociol…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Sheri Thompson (Stumbling into Real Estate Executive)
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32:00Beyond the Resume Podcast with Sheri Thompson (Stumbling into Real Estate Executive) 👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/v5gg2VJx_9A • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Sheri Thompson, Executive Vice President and Head of Affordable Housing at Walker & Dunlop, to talk about navigating the complex world of affor…
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164: Jo Living on how poker can make you better at business
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47:40This week we kept shouting things like HIT ME! TWIST! GO FISH! WHAT’S A SPADE? In order to win the professional attention, and personal sympathy, of Jo Living – founder of ‘poker for business’ consultancy Aces High. Having noticed that poker was less about bluff and bravado and more about strategy, empathy and teamwork, Jo realised it could be the …
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Jeffrey Jaeger (The Affordable Housing Philosophy That Works)
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40:07👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/cw1JGKM9blE • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Jeffrey Jaeger, co-founder of Standard Communities, to trace his journey from a philosophy major at Berkeley to building one of the most innovative affordable housing platforms in the U.S. Jaeger discusses the imp…
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Lisa Flicker sits down with Brandon Sedloff, Chief Real Estate Officer at Juniper Square, for a rich and candid conversation about career pivots, the power of listening, and the evolution of the real estate industry. From his early dreams of becoming a developer to leading tech-forward strategies at Juniper Squ…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Alex Valente (Living the Project: Real Estate Immersed)
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29:13In this episode of Beyond the Resume, host Lisa Flicker sits down with Alex Valente, a former actor turned real estate developer and Principal at Trammell Crow Company. Alex shares his unconventional journey from the stages of Hollywood to the construction sites of Southern California, including how he leveraged acting, tennis coaching, and a deep …
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Sean Kelly (Affordable Housing Month Throwback)
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29:33Beyond the Resume presents a special throwback episode for Affordable Housing Month, featuring Sean Kelly, Partner & Executive Vice President of Leon N. Weiner & Associates (LNWA). In this deep-dive conversation with host Chris Papa, Sean shares the mission-driven legacy of LNWA, how affordable housing development really works, and what it takes to…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Robin Zeigler (Revitalizing Communities Through Retail)
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26:01👀 YouTube: https://youtu.be/2VnEOvP2I4o • 👂 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Chris Papa interviews Robin Zeigler, Founder, CEO, and CIO of MURAL Real Estate Partners, a mission-driven firm transforming underinvested communities through strategic retail-anchored development. Robin shares how her background as a…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Andrea Ponsor (Affordable Housing Month Throwback)
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32:34Jackson Lucas and the Beyond the Resume podcast celebrate Affordable Housing Month! This May, we’re bringing you some of our favorite interviews of affordable housing leaders shaping the real estate world. In this insightful episode we say hello again to Andrea Ponsor, President & CEO of Stewards of Affordable Housing for the Future (SAHF) while ta…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Jeffrey Rosenberg (Pushing Carts, Building Empires)
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34:43YouTube: https://youtu.be/ydwdrZXtjzI Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker interview Jeffrey Rosenberg, Chairman and CEO of Big V Property Group—a national owner and operator of open-air shopping centers with a $2+ billion portfolio. Rosenberg shares insights from four decades in …
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163: Karen Dobres on a game-changing approach to women’s football
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44:43This week we donned a smelly neon bib, distributed some tiny cones and shouted things like ‘THAT’S NEVER A PEN’ all in order to win the attention of Karen Dobres, one of the sporting world’s most genuine game changers. Advocating for equal budgets, facilities and recognition in women’s sport with all the tenacity of a crunching, shin-pad obliterati…
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Beyond the Resume with RJ Pasquesi (Affordable Housing Month throwback)
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33:25Jackson Lucas and the Beyond the Resume podcast celebrate Affordable Housing Month! This May, we’re bringing you some of our favorite interviews of affordable housing leaders shaping the real estate world. In this episode we revisit our conversation with RJ Pasquesi, President of KCG Companies, a national real estate development firm focused on aff…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Bob Simpson (Inside the Multifamily Impact Revolution)
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39:11In this compelling episode, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker welcome Bob Simpson, President & CEO of the Multifamily Impact Council — a nationally recognized leader in affordable, green, and healthy housing. With over 25 years of experience at the intersection of housing finance and public policy—including two decades at Fannie Mae—Bob shares inva…
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Beyond the Resume Webinar Series: Naturally Occurring Affordable Housing
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57:08It's Affordable Housing Month on the Beyond the Resume Podcast! Today, on this installment of our Webinar Series, leaders from across the affordable housing sector explore how to elevate resident voices and build authentic community engagement into every facet of development and operations. From co-governance and workforce housing preservation to f…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Shaun Riney (No Ego, Just Real Estate Hustle)
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46:00In this powerful episode of Beyond the Resume, Chris and Lisa sit down with Shaun Riney, the Senior Managing Director of Investments at Marcus & Millichap, to explore the truth behind real estate success, personal growth, and authentic leadership. With over $3.5 billion in sales and a team that consistently outperforms, Shaun shares what it really …
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162: Howard Ibach on why better briefs breed better results.
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54:06This week we kept on adding more and more and more irrelevant attachments to our so-called brief, in order to earn ourselves a swift rebuke from the marketing world’s Brief Batman – Howard Ibach. Inventor of the Creative Brief Mastery program, Howard is on a mission to make marketing briefs more meaningful. An advocate for clear thinking, proper co…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with David Wheeler (Engineering a Real Estate Career Path)
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33:56In this episode of the Beyond on the Resume Podcast, presented by Jackson Lucas Executive Search, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with David Wheeler, Chief Operating Officer at Silver Star Properties, to explore his incredible career shift from civil engineering to real estate leadership. David shares his unique journey from the construction s…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with Gunnar Branson (Leadership, Storytelling, and Real Estate)
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47:30YouTube: https://youtu.be/nDrV443aLWA Spotify: https://spoti.fi/35ZJGLT Summary In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker from Jackson Lucas sit down with Gunnar Branson, CEO of AFIRE (Association of Foreign Investors in Real Estate), to discuss the future of global real estate investing, trends in U.S. markets, leader…
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161: Adam Ferrier on why listening to your customers can be bad for your brand
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42:07This week we have been exclusively watching 'Magic Mike', shaking a Magic 8-Ball and listening to '24k Magic' by Bruno Mars (which is just awful) in order to win the slightly nervous attention of Adam Ferrier, founder of Thinkerbell; the thinkers, tinkers and practitioners of ‘measured magic’. A psychology brain sat on top of some sturdy strategy b…
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Beyond the Resume Podcast with David Bergeron (Revolutionizing Real Estate Investing)
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35:37In this episode, David Bergeron, President and Co-Founder of ReSeed Partners, shares how his firm is reshaping real estate investing by empowering local operators across the country. David dives into ReSeed’s unique approach — a real estate accelerator model — and explains why long-term, all-cash investments are the key to building generational wea…
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On this episode of Beyond the Resume, we chat with David Genovese. He shares his journey from investment banking to real estate development, highlighting the founding of Baywater Properties and the transformative Corbin District project. He discusses the importance of community engagement, risk management, and mentorship in the real estate industry…
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we have a dynamic conversation with Vidur Gupta, the founder and CEO at Beekin. Vidur shares insights on the real estate market, the impact of technology on investment strategies, and the importance of mentorship in entrepreneurship. The discussion covers the challenges faced by small investors in a competitive…
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160: Shane Stewart on how to build brands with fizz
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55:12This week we went around slurping muddy water from puddles in order to win the sympathy of Shane Stewart – brand man, running man and fizzy drink saviour. Chief brand brain at XOXO soda, Shane has built his career around launching and marketing drinks that do good stuff for your innards, while looking extremely cool on your outtards. Before shaking…
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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Lisa Flicker interviews Ben Weinberg, co-founder and CEO of Trailborn and Castle Peak Holdings. They discuss the founding of both companies, the impact of COVID-19 on the hospitality industry, and Ben's journey from investment banking to entrepreneurship. The conversation delves into the importance of building …
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Beyond the Resume with Alexis Verduijn (HR Series with Debi Damesek)
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40:22In this episode of the Beyond the Resume podcast, host Debi Damesek interviews Alexis Verduijn, a talent acquisition specialist in the senior living industry. Alexis shares her unique journey into HR, her experiences as a parent, and how her time at home shaped her professional skills. In this conversation, Alexis and Debi discuss the intersection …
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159: Alex Smith on the battle to make business strategy better
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1:04:52This week we positioned our most powerful fan at the rear end of a corpulent bull in hopes of snaring the attention of legendary bullshit fighter, Alex Smith A strategist who’s set himself the mountainous task of extracting all the nonsense from business strategy, Alex is very much a breath of a fresh air in a field that can, at its worst, smell a …
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Beyond the Resume with Rafael Cesteno (The Community Preservation Corporation)
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36:45On this episode of Beyond the Resume, we talk with the CEO of the Community Preservation Corporation (CPC), Rafael Cestero. We discuss his journey in the housing sector, the mission of CPC, and the importance of sustainable housing. Rafael shares insights on leadership, the evolution of CPC, and the significance of mentorship in his career. The con…
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On this episode on Beyond the Resume, we bring you our latest from the webinar series. We speak with Kristina Metzger (CBRE), David Guarino (Green Street), Greg Berman (Thor Equities Group) and Rahul Chandiok (GI Partners) about the evolution, current trends, and future predictions of data centers. The conversation covers the basics of data centers…
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158: Paul Dervan on a marketing future that embraces mistakes and machines
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56:09This week we released AI from the punishment cupboard in which we’ve been keeping it in order to win the approval of author, marketing super-brain and AI believer Paul Dervan. As the Head of Brand Marketing at Miro, Paul has been busy bolstering his reputation as one of the industry’s smartiest pant-wearers when it comes to marketing effectiveness.…
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Beyond the Resume: Black History Month Revisit with Dudley Benoit
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0:36Jackson Lucas celebrates Black History Month! On this episode we revisit our conversation with the Executive Vice President at Alliant Capital, Dudley Benoit. Dudley breaks down the x's and o's of the tax credit scene and tells us why he believes there has been an uptick in demand for more affordable housing. If one of your career goals is to do we…
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Jackson Lucas celebrates Black History Month! On this episode of Beyond the Resume, we bring back our chat with Buwa Binitie, the Managing Principal at Dantes Partners out of Washington D.C. Buwa tells us how to lead with the power of positivity, what is at the ethos of Dantes Partners, and the steps he's taken as a 17-year-old Nigerian immigrant t…
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Beyond the Resume: Black History Month Revisit with Michael Cook
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41:26Jackson Lucas celebrates Black History Month! On this episode of Beyond the Resume, we bring back our chat with Michael Cook. We discuss the evolution of the single-family rental (SFR) market, Michael's journey from investment banking to entrepreneurship, and the importance of asset management in real estate. Michael also shares insights on the cur…
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157: Patrick Freyne is here to save us from a Productive life
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56:53This week we shredded our vision board and fed it to some ornamental carp, purely to win the approval of author, critic and quite possibly the world first demotivational speaker, Patrick Freyne. Before becoming the enormously popular columnist and critic for the Irish Times, Patrick spent his 20s chasing the rock star dream. But while the life of b…
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Beyond the Resume: Black History Month Revisit with Jerrod Delaine
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26:21Jackson Lucas celebrates Black History Month! On this episode of Beyond the Resume, we take you back and revisit our conversation with Jerrod Delaine, the then Director of Development at Carthage Real Estate Advisors. Jerrod talks about the difference between affordable housing and market rate housing, how he landed his first real estate job after …
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