Stories of learning in and out of school, and interviews with teachers, students, and school leaders. Artwork by the inimitable Enrique "Chikle" Lugo Brought to you by HTH Unboxed: A Journal of Adult Learning in Schools Visit us online at hthunboxed.org
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We hear, frequently, that the global education system is broken, and as a result, we spend billions of dollar trying to fix it. But the K-12 system isn’t actually broken at all – it’s working exactly as it was designed, 100 years ago, and it’s obsolete. So in Learning Unboxed, we will have a conversation about teaching, learning, and the future of work; we will reimagine, rethink, and redesign our educational system.
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Each episode we interview a badass social change leader and learn the ins and outs of what they're doing to make the world a better place. This podcast will help you feel optimistic that we can make a difference and give you practical tips about how to go about doing so in a big way.
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Welcome to the Future! It’s the end of work as we know it. Technology has made work awesome, and the happiness quotient of every employee is at an all-time high. In this podcast, we unbox opinions and sentiments of thought leaders who will help draw a virtual blueprint of what the future of work will look like, where AI and humans complement each other.
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S6E26 - How to Package a Process, with Bedtime in a Box
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36:35Episode Notes Sofía Tannenhaus talks to Jarrod Bolte, CEO of both Improving Education and Bedtime in a Box, a nonprofit that provides families with boxes containing everything you need for a positive bedtime routine. Each Box contains four age-appropriate books; bath wash, a towel, and bath toys; a toothbrush and toothpaste; pajamas; a stuffed anim…
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277. Student-Centered High School Transformation with Steven Sell
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33:42In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we sit down with Steven Sell, Assistant Director at MAP Academy, an alternative charter high school in Plymouth, Massachusetts. MAP Academy’s mission is to serve students who haven’t found success in traditional schools by offering a personalized, student-centered approach with strong academic, social, and emoti…
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276. Transforming Lives Through Education with David Harris
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30:41In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we’re joined by David Harris, President and CEO of Christel House International, a global nonprofit breaking the cycle of poverty through an 18-year, full-circle education model. Christel House operates nine tuition-free schools across five countries and supports students from early childhood through age 23. Wit…
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S6E25 - Solar for All Schools [guest episode from the Climify podcast]
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51:06Episode Notes This episode comes from the Climify podcast, which is hosted by Eric Benson, and produced by the Climate Designers Network. Benson interviews Tish Tablan, senior program director at Generation 180, about how going solar can benefit schools' budgets and provide opportunities for PBL, as well as helping us all thrive as we face an unpre…
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BONUS. Learner-Centered Schools in Every State with Sonn Sam
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33:52Welcome to a bonus edition of Learning Unboxed, where we will spend two weeks revisiting innovative case studies of student-centered learning. We know that the one-size-fits-all sit-and-get strategy is not the most effective for students. Join us in moving to a system that deeply values the individual. Tune in to get inspired and walk away with too…
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S6E24 - Improving College Transfer Enrollment with NASH's Juliette Price
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46:59Episode Notes Alec Patton talks to Juliette Price, the senior Improvement Science coach at the National Association of Higher Education Systems, about how their Network Improvement Community has achieved its remarkable results on transfer enrollments from two-year to four-year colleges. You know you want to try it: David Williams’s Mr. Potato Head …
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BONUS. Institute for Self Directed Learning with Tyler Thigpen
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34:16Welcome to a bonus edition of Learning Unboxed, where we will spend two weeks revisiting innovative case studies of student-centered learning. We know that the one-size-fits-all sit-and-get strategy is not the most effective for students. Join us in moving to a system that deeply values the individual. Tune in to get inspired and walk away with too…
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S6E23 - Okorie Johnson (OkCello): music and education are all about conversation
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47:02Episode Notes Ben Krueger talks to cellist, composer, and teacher Okorie Johnson, who performs as OkCello, about music, teaching, and community. And, appropriately, they talk about how all three of those are, themselves, a form of conversation. OkCello Website Learn more about the PBL Leadership Academy…
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S6E20 - Anthropology for Kids, with Nika Dubrovsky
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25:14Episode Notes Alec talks to Nika Dubrovsky about Anthropology for Kids, a project she started with her husband, anthropologist David Graeber. Referenced in this Episode: Anthopology for Kids Cities Made Differently by David Graeber and Nika Dubrovsky The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow David Graeber on the Charlie Rose Show De…
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275. Playful Learning with Dr. Diane Jackson Schnoor
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34:49We’re diving into the joy and purpose of play in this episode of Learning Unboxed with Dr. Diane Jackson Schnoor, director of Dr. Diane’s Adventures of Learning. Diane brings a powerful message about the deep connections between literacy, creativity, and hands-on exploration—reminding us that learning through play isn’t just for preschoolers, it’s …
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S6E22 - The Big Power of Small Changes, with RISE
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25:12Episode Notes Alec talks to Linzi Golding, Erin Asselin, and Melanie Gonzalez about keeping things simple, celebrating small changes, smart ways to share data with schools, and how to recognize and celebrate effort, even when it doesn’t lead to the outcomes we were hoping for. To see an example of a driver diagram (and get a transcript for this epi…
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274. Innovative Urban Learning with Kalimah Fergus Ayele
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34:11What if your city was your classroom? In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we meet Kalimah Fergus Ayele, Head of the New York City campus of The Winchendon School, a high school program that reimagines education through experiential learning and citywide engagement. Kalimah shares the origins of this innovative school model and the intentional desi…
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S6E21 - The Student Voice Revolution: How Teach Plus is Transforming Math Instruction
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27:00Episode Notes Alec talks to Cary Sabados (national director of teacher leadership development at Teach Plus) and Morgan Hython (fourth grade math and science teacher at Piccolo School of Excellence, a public preK-to-8 school in Chicago) about their work in the Teach Plus Network for School Improvement. Learn more about Teach Plus Learn more about t…
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273. Summer Learning Through Outdoor Joy with Lisa Gitelson
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29:57In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we explore the powerful intersection of summer camp and education with Lisa Gitelson, CEO of the Fresh Air Fund. With over 148 years of impact, the Fresh Air Fund offers low-income youth from New York City transformative summer experiences—think swimming, hiking, stargazing, and leadership training—all designed …
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S6E19 - Liberating Learning One District at a Time
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1:20:36Episode Notes Stacey Caillier talks to Michelle Pledger and David Montes de Oca about the ways that school districts are using Michelle's book, "Liberate: Pocket-Sized Paradigms for Liberatory Learning" You can find Michelle's book, and Montes's study guide, here You can find Michelle's podcast, Unapologetic and Uninterrupted, here…
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272. Reimagining EdTech and Data with Chris Hull
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31:26In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we dive into the transformative power of data in education with Chris Hull, former educator and co-founder of Otus. Otus is a K-12 assessment and data insights platform designed to centralize the many fragmented tools educators use and provide actionable data to drive student success. Chris brings a deep underst…
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S6E17 - Dr. Heather Michel on How to Take Care of Yourself as a Teacher, Even When It Seems Impossible
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42:36Episode Notes If you want to try a body scan, try this 11-minute guided body scan by meditation teacher Tara Brach. You can find journal prompts and affirmations on the Teachers of Color Matter website, here. Learn more about the Deeper Learning Conference.
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271. Transforming Education Through Teaming with Nick Salmon, Mar Cano Mesa, and Erin O’Reilly
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33:04In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we're joined by Nick Salmon, Mar Cano Mesa, and Erin O’Reilly, co-authors of TeamEd, a transformative guide to collaboration in education. Together, they share the story behind their international partnership and their deeply rooted belief that teaming—at every level of the education ecosystem—is essential to bu…
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S6E16 - Molodi's Jason Nious on Stepping, Body Percussion, and Connecting with Students
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28:44Episode Notes Learn more about Molodi Learn more about the Deeper Learning Conference
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270. Revolutionizing Math Education with Dr. Aditya Nagrath
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30:13Math anxiety holds many students back, but what if we could change the way they experience mathematics? In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we sit down with Dr. Aditya Nagrath, founder of Elephant Learning Mathematics Academy, to explore how his innovative approach helps students master years of math in just a few months—using only 10 minutes a da…
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S6E15 - Schools Can Get Better At Unleashing Student Potential (with Ron Berger and friends)
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1:06:40Episode Notes In this special live episode from the 2025 Deeper Learning Conference, educator Ron Berger talks to two Japanese educators and their two brilliant children, who have experienced education across cultures in Japan, the United States, and Europe.
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269. AI as a Positive Disruptor in Education with Jose Moreno
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33:12In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we explore how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing education with Jose Moreno, founder and CEO of Neulight. Jose's company is at the forefront of using AI to empower educators through their innovative product, IntelliTier, which helps schools implement personalized student support systems with data-driven…
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S6E14 - Improvement in Action: Leveraging Data Routines for 9th Grade On-Track Results
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48:32Episode Notes In this episode, Alec talks to Nichelle Woodson, the Chief of Network Success at RISE Eileen Mezzo, an Assistant Principal at Naugatuck High School in Connecticut. They talk about how the RISE Network has achieved remarkable gains in ninth-grade on track rates (for example, on-track for Black students has risen by 27 percentage points…
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268. Jazz Lab & STEM with Stephanie Matthews
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29:46In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we explore the transformative power of jazz in education with Stephanie Matthews, Executive Director of A Tribe for Jazz. Stephanie has pioneered Jazz Lab, an innovative pilot program that integrates jazz with STEM education to foster creativity, collaboration, and emotional wellness in students. Backed by the B…
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Episode Notes Read Jeff Govoni's article for Unboxed, about this (and other) projects, "Deconstructing Construction Projects" For more ideas about assessing projects, check out our episode with physics teacher Ted Cuevas, "How to Assess Students like Scouts" Read Ron Berger's thoughts on Models of Excellence…
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267. Empowering Kids: Rethinking Grades and Stress with Ned Johnson
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33:57In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we sit down with Ned Johnson, co-author of “The Self-Driven Child” and “What Do You Say?”. Ned’s unique blend of experience as a successful academic tutor and a dedicated advocate for student autonomy helps us explore how control and agency shape a child’s mental health and intrinsic motivation. We discuss why a…
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266. Leading with Paws: Empowering Students Through Unconventional Support with Kim Wilson
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31:51In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we explore how Ferris, a facility dog at Upper Arlington High School, is transforming inclusion and leadership for students with disabilities. Kim Wilson, an Intervention Specialist, shares how Ferris fosters connections, encourages student leadership, and enhances the school community in ways beyond traditional…
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S6E12 - How One District Improved On-track by Shifting Their System Towards More Student-centered Practices
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30:00Episode Notes Check out the Institute For Learning’s Vision of Collaborative Work! Here’s what Sara DeMartino says about it: “While the driver diagram was helpful in thinking through the theory of change, we found teachers and leaders, more than anything, wanted to know the role that they played in that theory and the role other members of the syst…
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265. Redefining Student Success: The Portrait of a Graduate Movement with Shannon King
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31:19In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we dive into the transformative power of the Portrait of a Graduate with Shannon King, Chief Learning Officer at Battelle for Kids. This initiative is reshaping how schools define student success, moving beyond grades and test scores to include durable skills like communication, collaboration, and critical think…
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264. Building a Better School System: The Vision for a Common Global Diploma with Carmela Fleury
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34:38What if education worked for every child, no matter where they lived or how they learned? In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we welcome Carmela Fleury, the creator of the Global Education Meetup Retreat and host of the Global Nomad Parent Podcast. Carmela is on a mission to reimagine education on a global scale with the launch of the Common Globa…
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S6E11 - A Story of Butterflies, Regeneration, and Hope
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39:51Episode Notes Check out this video about the sIlvery blue/Xerces blue surrogacy project! The Silvery Blue/Xerces surrogacy project began with the ideas of Robert Michael Pyle, and have since included many partners. These include Robert Michael Pyle's Xerces Society, Creekside Science, and Revive and Restore. Durrell Kapan wanted to take the op…
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263. Designing with Kids, Not for Kids with Dave Hersh
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32:54In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we’re joined by Dave Hersh, the CEO of InTandem, a groundbreaking organization connecting youth voices with industries to improve products, programs, and services. Dave’s work centers on reducing the barriers that prevent young people from participating in the design of the very systems and tools that impact the…
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262. Reimagining Education: Purpose, Agency, and the PEAK Model with Kapono Ciotti
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32:27In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we have the privilege of delving into the personal journey of Kapono Ciotti, CEO of the Pacific American Foundation and co-author of the Landscape Model of Learning. His story, inspired by his parents and his own empowering school experiences, resonates with our shared commitment to reimagining education as a sp…
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S6E10 - Tackling Chronic Absenteeism by Asking Students What They Need
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42:08Episode Notes Community Design Partners’ library of Student-Powered Improvement resources In his work, Casey drew particularly on this guide: Building Student-Powered Classrooms Brandi Hinnant-Crawford, “What Improvers Can Learn from Civil Rights Organizers”
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261. Gamifying Life Skills: How CoLab is Transforming Education with Play with Alan Tang
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32:33In this episode of Learning Unboxed, we’re joined by Alan Tang, co-founder of Collaboration Laboratory (CoLab), an award-winning online program that teaches kids life skills through immersive, game-based learning. CoLab combines elements of Pokemon and Sherlock Holmes, using interactive challenges to help kids develop confidence, leadership, and cr…
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S6E9 - How to collaborate on a mural with 200 elementary-schoolers, with Scarlett Baily
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48:59Episode Notes Check out a photo gallery of Scarlett's murals here Scarlett Baily's website Kumeyaay Community College Website
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260. Latest Trends in Education Doctoral Research with Maggie Broderick
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31:43Dr. Maggie Broderick is the Dissertation Chair in the Department of Teacher Education at National University. National University has doctoral students all over the world and credentials the most PK-12 teachers in the state of California. Because of her position, Maggie has an incredible view of the latest research in teacher education. Today, she …
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259. Root Causes of Chronic Absenteeism with Amber Humm Patnode
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33:09Amber Humm Patnode has spent over a decade researching the root causes of chronic absenteeism and how to address them effectively. She joins us today to explain what the data shows. Amber is the Acting Director of the Proving Ground program, part of Harvard University’s Center for Education Policy Research. She helps school districts assess the dat…
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258. Math Class as Computer Science Class with Chris Orban
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28:54What if instead of pushing every high schooler into Algebra 2, we let them choose a math route that focused more on data science and computers? That’s what Chris Orban and the Math Pathways project are working to make happen in the state of Ohio. On the show today, Chris describes how he’s helping increase access to computer science education for k…
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S6E8 - Improving Literacy in a Large Urban District, with Amiee Winchester and Zack Jaffe
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46:33Episode Notes Alec talks to Amiee Winchester and Zack Jaffe about their continuous improvement work on improving literacy at Baltimore City Public Schools.
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257. Industrial Partnerships as Positive Disrupters with Kasondra Wilson
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29:21Kasondra Wilson was a first generation college student and now works at one of the top consulting firms in the world, Deloitte. She knows firsthand what boost students need in order to thrive in the professional environment. Kasondra is one of our industry partners here at the PAST foundation, and we’re thrilled to have her on the show today. Kason…
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256. Portable Innovation Labs (Part 3 of 4) with Iddrisu Seidu and Rich Granger
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32:30Welcome back for the third episode of our four-part series all about our Portable Innovation Labs (PILs). Today, we have a conversation with two community partners who use PILs for their workforce development missions. Iddrisu Seidu from Makerspace Central and Rich Granger from DriveOhio explain how they team up with our rocket-focused PIL. By usin…
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S6E7 - Simon Breakspear: using "the pruning principle" to achieve better outcomes through strategic subtraction
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52:09Episode Notes Our other episode with Simon Breakspear, “If It Doesn’t Work for Teachers, It Doesn’t Work” You can find great free tools (and order The Pruning Principle) at pruningprinciple.com Simon mentions Cal Newport. You can find out more about his “20% over capacity” principle in this blog post: What Would Happen If We Slowed Down? Come join …
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255. Learner-Centered Assessment with Sonn Sam
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35:38If assessments measured how a student is smart, not if a student is smart, our education system would be in a better place. That’s the future Sonn Sam and Big Picture Learning are building towards. And they already have examples of it working. In this conversation, we do a deep dive into learner-centered assessment. We talk about the resistance to …
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254. The Walkabout Way with Melyssa Dominguez and Jenny Long
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35:14Imagine if instead of having to cram for tests and sit through lessons, high schoolers could graduate by navigating six “passages” that prove their practical, creative, and logical skills. Fifty years ago in Jefferson County, Colorado, a group of parents and educators created a school just like that and it’s still thriving today. Melyssa Dominguez …
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S6E6 - Sean Mortimer (Tony Hawk’s co-author) on how to help people tell their stories
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36:59Episode Notes Hawk: Occupation Skateboarder The Mutt: How to Skateboard and Not Kill Yourself All the Way: My Life in Four Quarters
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253. Portable Innovation Labs (Part 2 of 4) with Jessica Fields
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30:17When Jessica Fields carries a PAST Foundation Portable Innovation Lab (PILs) box into a school, kids’ eyes light up. They know they’re about to do something cool and fun. What they probably don’t realize is that they’re also going to be learning standard-aligned content that keeps them on-track with their curriculum. Jessica is a 21st Century Learn…
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252. Microschools as Positive Disruptors with David K. Richards
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34:40Microschools are positive disruptors of our modern education ecosystem. Today, CEO of Changemaker Microschools, David K. Richards, joins the show to help us dig a little deeper into the phenomenon. We discuss the ingredients to starting and sustaining a microschool: finding the right teachers; navigating facility and funding options; and deeply eng…
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The most important part of a child’s education is developing a love of learning. That’s Amir Nathoo’s motto and what led him to co-found OutSchool. Amir joins the show today to talk about future-proofing education by allowing students to engage with what they are most interested in. OutSchool is a marketplace for live online classes for K-12 learne…
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S6E5 - Ron Berger: Empower Students by Giving Them Learning Targets
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51:08Episode Notes Leaders of Their Own Learning by Ron Berger, Leah Woodfin, and Leah RugenOther podcast episodes featuring Ron Berger: Ron Berger on Presentations of Learning Ron Berger on Student-Led Conferences Ron Berger on Whole-Class Close Reading Ron Berger on Beautiful Lessons and “No Lesson at All”…
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