Best Ethan And Devin Podcasts (2025)

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How Science Suggests You Change Your Organization - with Prosci’s Tim Creasey and Paul Gonzalez 53:46

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Generative AI is moving fast, but most organizations aren’t. Tim Creasey and Paul Gonzalez have spent their careers studying why. As leaders at Prosci, they’ve worked with thousands of teams navigating complex change, and in this episode they share what their research says about the human side of transformation. They discuss why traditional tactics…

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You Can’t Vibe Code a 100-Ton Truck: Inside Applied Intuition’s Approach to Safety-Critical AI 55:54

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Applied Intuition builds the kind of AI you don’t see, but can’t live without. Co-founders Qasar Younis and Peter Ludwig share how their $15 billion company powers vehicle intelligence across cars, trucks, tanks, mining equipment, and defense systems operating in some of the most demanding conditions on earth. They explain why combining AI with saf…

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Playing the Long Game: The Power of Self-Control 34:23

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As a special addition to this week's episode, you can see Katy's full sit-down interview with Angela Duckworth, where they also explore the relationship between self-control and grit. Watch or listen to their conversation on YouTube or Spotify. When your emotions flare or temptation calls, what does it take to hold back? Whether it’s resisting the …

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Bonus: A Sit Down With Katy Milkman & Angela Duckworth 33:36

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In this bonus addition of Choiceology, Katy Milkman sits down with psychologist and Grit author Dr. Angela Duckworth, a leading expert on self-control. She breaks down what science tells us about managing impulses, why willpower by itself falls short, and how simple environmental tweaks and practical strategies can help anyone delay gratification a…

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S5E8: One Baby After Another 1:11:19

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We discuss Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle After Another (2025) and discuss some life/pod changes. See you in December for Cameron Christmas!By Ethan and Devin

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How IBM Used AI to Cut 40% of HR Operating Costs and Reinvest in the Company 53:08

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As Head of IBM Consulting, Mohamad Ali led one of the most ambitious enterprise AI transformations to date. By making IBM its own “Client Zero,” his team tested every AI solution internally before bringing it to market. The effort began with massive hackathons involving 150,000 employees, turning curiosity into capability and belief at scale. Moham…

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How Mindset Shapes Success 35:08

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Most of us label ourselves early on as academic (or not), athletic (or not), or talented (or not). But even if you feel like you're lacking in natural talent or ability in certain areas, approaching new skills or challenges with openness, effort, and curiosity can take you farther than you might expect. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milk…

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How Do You Strategize in the AI Era? - with Martin Reeves, Head of BCG’s Think Tank 1:06:01

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Martin Reeves has spent decades advising CEOs on how to think about strategy. As head of BCG’s Henderson Institute, he has built a career challenging leaders to balance efficiency with imagination and to prepare for the next disruptive shift. In this conversation, Martin tells Henrik and Jeremy why AI alone will not give companies an edge and might…

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Why Starting Over Hurts 37:56

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If you've ever gotten well into a project—maybe a DIY renovation—and then realized that you've taken the wrong approach, you probably know that it's very tempting to just stay the course. Starting all over again would be so painful, even if starting over is clearly the best option. Or maybe you've taken a wrong turn on a hike and only noticed it a …

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The AI Playbook Every Leader Needs: A Chat With Adam Brotman & Andy Sack 1:04:59

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Adam Brotman and Andy Sack sit down with Henrik and Jeremy to unpack their book AI First and the framework they have developed for leaders. They argue that AI is not just another technology wave but a leadership reset that demands new playbooks, new structures and new ways of thinking. They explain why AI should be seen as an augmentation of human …

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Teamwork That Works: What Great Teams Have in Common 42:53

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What makes an effective team? Talent? Skill? Discipline? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we're looking at some of the more surprising ingredients of successful teams, according to science. Teams where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. You'll hear the story of the Kon-Tiki expedition—a harrowing journey across the Pac…

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How Entrepreneurs Can Compete in the Age of AI: Henrik Werdelin & Nicholas Thorne on Their New Book Me, My Customer and AI 49:33

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In a shift from the usual format, Henrik Werdelin steps into the guest seat—alongside Nicholas Thorne—for a live conversation with Jeremy Utley about their new book Me, My Customer, and AI. They explore what it takes for entrepreneurs to compete in the age of AI — from redefining resourcefulness to thinking like founders, even inside a job. The dis…

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When It Feels Like Everyone's Watching 36:34

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We've all been there. Maybe you fumbled a line in a presentation. Or tripped on a shoelace. Or suffered a bad hair day. It can feel like the whole world is watching you—and judging you—in those embarrassing moments. But are people paying as much attention to you as you think? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we explore why we tend …

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Inside Zapier’s Code Red: How CEO Wade Foster Hit Pause to Reinvent for AI 1:03:23

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Wade Foster, co-founder and CEO of Zapier, joins Henrik and Jeremy to talk about how AI is changing the company from the inside out. He shares the moment Zapier declared a “code red” on AI and the steps they took to turn urgency into action — encouraging more experiments, removing tolerance for inaction, and celebrating wins along the way. Wade dis…

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How a Single Source of Information Can Seem Like Several 28:36

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You've probably been in situations where multiple friends recommend the same product. It must be great, if everyone is talking about it, right? But then you find out that those friends had all just seen the same product on a popular TV show. What seemed like independent recommendations really came from a single source. In this episode of Choiceolog…

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Can AI Replace Me? Evan Ratliff on Letting an AI Clone Live His Life 58:11

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In this episode, Evan Ratliff, journalist and creator of the podcast Shell Game, shares the wild and personal story behind his experiment in AI voice cloning. What began as curiosity turned into a six-month dive into building an AI version of himself—one that could answer phone calls, conduct interviews, and even fool friends and family. From scamm…

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Twilight of the Idles: 2025's Superhero Summer 1:22:25

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Ethan and Devin dove into the summer box office with 2025's Superman and The Fantastic Four: First Steps. They discuss the films' differing responses to the (potentially, hopefully?) growing superhero exhaustion, liberal technocracy vs. dumb guy morality, and the power of productive incoherence. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, or BlueSky at @youre…

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Coming Soon: A New Season of Choiceology 1:35

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It's a new season of Choiceology, an original podcast from Charles Schwab. New episodes arrive every two weeks, so please follow us in your favorite podcasting app. Important Disclosures The comments, views, and opinions expressed in the podcast are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the views of Charles Schwab. Data contained h…

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How the Chief Creative Officer of an Award-Winning Ad Agency Prompts the Perfect Pitch 42:13

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In this episode, Jeff Benjamin, Global CCO of Tombras, shares how AI helps him get unstuck, build confidence, and push bold ideas forward—even when self-doubt creeps in. From romcom scripts to Arby’s pitches, he shows how AI acts as a sparring partner: sharpening thinking, stress-testing ideas, and keeping momentum alive. We get into what separates…

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S5E6: Wood You Rather? featuring Will Sloan! 1:30:43

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In this special episode, Ethan and Devin are joined by critic and author Will Sloan to discuss his new book, Ed Wood: Made in Hollywood USA and Wood's iconic "worst film of all time," Plan 9 from Outer Space (1957). They discuss what it means to reinterpret Wood as more than simply a bad director while exploring the film's the outsider aesthetics a…

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Chief of Staff for the Masses: How Meta’s Joshua To Designs Wearables with AI 1:00:37

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In this episode, Joshua To, VP of Product Design at Meta, shares how AI is reshaping how—and where—we interact with technology. He walks us through Meta’s evolving approach to AR and wearables, why notifications are still the killer use case, and how AI is becoming the “brain behind empathy.” We dig into what it means to build interfaces that under…

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S5E5: A Belated Father's Day Special 2:20:24

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Ethan and Devin honor their non-James Cameron fathers in this special Father's Day episode. We watched "Viking Bikers from Hell" (S3E22 of Miami Vice) and the made-for-TV film The Winter of Our Discontent. Why in the world did they do this? Listen to find out. Featuring a brief interview with Papa Stale. Follow us on Twitter or Instagram at youreta…

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The AI Implementation Audit: What Section’s CEO Learned in 18 Months 1:08:27

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In this episode, Greg Shove, CEO of Section and founder of Machine and Partners, joins us for a "where are they now" follow-up—and doesn’t hold back. Greg walks through the rise of Pro AI, his new AI-powered coach, and why traditional upskilling is already obsolete. We explore the overlooked friction points in AI adoption, from cultural taboos (“it…

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Rebuilding from Inside: How John Waldmann Led an AI Shift Without Breaking His Team 52:29

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In this episode, John Waldmann, CEO of Homebase, shares how the 10-year-old SaaS company blew up its roadmap and rebuilt around AI—from culture to code. He walks us through the shift from 20-page PRDs to lightning-fast demos, reclaiming product leadership, and pushing teams into their “oh shit” moment with AI. We explore the leadership reckoning, c…

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Little Bits of Happiness: With Guests Sally Millington & Ellen Evers 28:27

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Were you the kind of kid who devoured all your Halloween candy in one sitting—or savored it daily until, somehow, it was Easter? And when it comes to bad news, do you prefer it all at once or with some time in between? Turns out, the way we bundle or separate life's highs and lows can influence our happiness. In this episode of Choiceology with Kat…

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Why HR not CTOs Will Lead AI Augmentation - with Joshua Wöhle 1:02:10

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In this episode, Joshua Wöhle, co-founder and CEO of Mindstone, shares how AI can go beyond automation to truly augment thinking, strategy, and workflows. He walks us through the personal rituals and frameworks he uses to spot high-leverage opportunities, and why iteration—not speed—is the real unlock. We explore how non-technical teams can build c…

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Cents & Sensibility: With Guests Melina Palmer & Devin Pope 32:49

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Would you pay more for a car with 29,999 miles than one with 30,000? The answer should be no—it's a negligible difference, after all—but research shows that people often do pay more than they should for cars that are just short of certain odometer thresholds. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we look at why a price or an age or a te…

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S5E4: The Deep Impact of Armageddon 1:35:29

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Ethan and Devin watched the twin disaster films of 1998: Michael Bay's Armageddon and Mimi Leder's Deep Impact. They discuss these different modes of boomer death dream, the end of the End of History, and why a mile-high tsunami can't melt steel beams. Follow us on Twitter or Instagram at youretallpod. Follow Ethan on Twitter at Mathissippi and Dev…

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What AI Can't Replace - How The Atlantic Deals with Disruption 1:00:45

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In this episode, Nicholas Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, shares a personal and expansive look at how AI is reshaping creativity, leadership, and human connection. From using ChatGPT in marathon training to rethinking journalism in the age of agents, Nicholas explores AI not just as a tool—but as a thought partner. We dive into cognitive offloading …

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Hooked on Streaks: With Guests Chloë Hamilton & Jackie Silverman 31:27

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Streaks have long been logged in the world of sports. And for tracking habits, like daily writing. But now apps encourage us to keep streaks going for just about anything. Messaging friends, learning new languages, meditating, exercising, you name it. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we explore the motivational power of streaks. An…

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Prompting for Originality: How Devin McNulty Is AI-Enabling His Workshop Business 55:50

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In this episode, Devin McNulty, founder of Funmentum Labs and creator of Funware, shares how he’s turning fun into a serious engine for creative work. After 15 years of running workshops for Fortune 500s, Devin built an AI-powered facilitation tool that helps hybrid teams generate better ideas—without needing a pro in the room. We explore how he tr…

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Obstacle Illusions: With Guests Daniella McCahey & Tom Gilovich 30:41

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First-born children tend to believe that their parents were harder on them than their siblings are willing to grant. Football fans take disproportionate note of the challenging games on their team's schedules. We're wired to interpret our challenges as bigger than our advantages, even if the reality is more balanced. In this episode of Choiceology …

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S5E3: The Phantom MAGAmess 2:20:02

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Ethan and Devin watched George Lucas's 90s indie classic, Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999). They discuss tariffs, merchandise, and other economic matters. Follow us on Twitter or Instagram at youretallpod. Follow Ethan on Twitter at Mathissippi and Devin on twitter at stalecooper. Email us at [email protected].…

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How Mihir Shukla Is Reimagining Work With 300 Million AI Agents (and Counting) 48:47

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In this episode, Mihir Shukla, CEO and Chairman of Automation Anywhere, shares how he’s building an autonomous enterprise—where AI doesn’t just assist work, but performs it. With over 300 million AI agents in action, Mihir argues the future of work is already here. We dive into how Automation Anywhere automates everything from tax to customer servi…

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The Reality Trap: With Guests Ken Adelman & Julia Minson 38:22

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Is it ever possible to see the world objectively, as it is? Turn on the news, open social media, engage with that family member at Thanksgiving, and it appears to some the answer is yes. But what if our biggest blind spot is thinking we don't have a blind spot? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we look at how we can easily be fooled…

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Eric Porres is Rewiring Logitech’s Org for the AI Age. First; he trained 800 people himself. 56:20

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In this episode, Eric Porres, Global Head of AI at Logitech, shares how he’s working to turn a 7,000-person company into an AI-fluent organization. From running a GenAI survey to personally training 800+ colleagues in his first 100 days, Eric lays out the foundations of a practical, human-centered AI strategy. He discusses building a culture of “au…

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A Numbers Game: With Guests Linda Chang & Stephen M. Colbert 29:37

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Workplaces often rely on numerical ratings for performance reviews. Election debates focus on poll numbers and approval ratings. Your watch counts your steps in a day. Numbers increasingly influence our decisions. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we look at our very human tendency to fixate on digits even when words or graphs repre…

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S5E2: Give Them a Lynch and They'll Take a Sonic the Hedgehog 2:18:47

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This is the pod. We're joined by author Mike Miley to discuss his new book David Lynch's American Dreamscape, the dearly departed Lynch's incomparable Mulholland Dr. (2001), and uh, Sonic the Hedgehog. Find Mike's work at https://www.mikemiley.com/. He's on Bluesky at mikemiley and Instagram at mikecmiley. Check out David Lynch's American Dreamscap…

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How Blair Vermette Went from AI Skeptic to a Pioneer of Viral AI Videos 56:15

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In this episode, Blair Vermette, founder of Rabbit Hole, shares his journey from traditional TV production to becoming a pioneer in AI-powered storytelling. Once frustrated by the rise of AI in creative work, Blair chose to lean in—leading to the creation of Floral, a viral Adidas spec ad that transformed his career. He talks about scaling his crea…

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BONUS EPISODE: Boris Eldagsen: Why AI-Generated Images Aren’t Photography 44:09

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Berlin-based artist Boris Eldagsen made headlines when he won—then refused—the Sony World Photography Awards after revealing that his winning image was AI-generated. In this special episode of Beyond the Prompt, Eldagsen takes us through his transition from traditional photography to what he calls promptography—a new category for AI-generated image…

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Future-Proofing Your Career and Income in the Age of AI with Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek 42:42

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AI is transforming careers, personal branding, and financial planning - so how can you stay ahead? Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek, entrepreneur, investor, bestselling author, and host of Your AI Roadmap, shares strategies from her new book to help future-proof your career and income. She breaks down how to build a strong personal brand, expand your netw…

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S5E1: The 2nd Annual Oscars Spectacular 2:50:05

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Here's the audio from our 2nd annual Oscars twitch stream (broadcast at twitch.tv/youretallbut). Featuring Dan, Mike B, Catie, Oscar Isaac's right hand man Isaac, Devin's roommates, Devin's girlfriend, Matt "Spooky" Powers, and surprises galore! Donate to the 'No Other Land' Rebuilding Alliance Fundraiser at https://secure.givelively.org/donate/reb…

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Watch Our 2nd Annual Oscars Live Twitch Stream on Mar 2! 3:33

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Hello listeners! We're about to kick start our new season, and we'll be doing so in opulent fashion with our 2nd annual live Oscars twitch stream. We'll be streaming for 2 hours from 8 PM to 10 PM Eastern time (5 PM to 7 PM Pacific) on Sunday, Mar 2. Join us live at https://twitch.tv/youretallbut or catch the audio-only version in your podcast feed…

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How to build a business with AI? Founder of Audos - Nicholas Thorne on the New Rules for Entrepreneurship 1:02:21

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In this episode, Nicholas Thorne, co-founder of Audos, shares his mission to help a million entrepreneurs build sustainable, AI-powered businesses. He introduces the concept of the “Donkey Corn,” breaks down the Five P’s framework for spotting opportunity, and explains why AI makes entrepreneurship more accessible—and more urgent—than ever. Nichola…

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Why your organization needs to embrace AI—Or get left behind, with Brad Anderson 1:11:28

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In this episode, Brad Anderson, President of the Product Group at Qualtrics and former Microsoft exec, shares how AI is transforming how businesses operate—from internal culture to customer experience. He reflects on Microsoft’s shift from a “know-it-all” to a “learn-it-all” mindset, and how that same curiosity is driving change at Qualtrics. From …

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Reinventing Recruiting: Anvisha Pai on Using AI to Automate Hiring 36:55

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Anvisha Pai, founder of Dover, takes us inside how her team is using generative AI to transform recruiting—automating everything from job descriptions to candidate outreach for over 500 companies. She shares lessons from her early AI experiments at MIT, and how building a fail-fast culture has helped Dover stay ahead of the curve. We dive into how …

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How to make an AI-Driven Culture Transformation with Moderna’s Head of AI, Brice Challamel 1:08:38

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In this episode, Brice Challamel, Head of AI Products and Platforms at Moderna, pulls back the curtain on how AI is transforming not just workflows but entire organizational cultures. Brice introduces the concept of the AI "catalyst" - a role focused on accelerating safe, effective change - while sharing practical strategies for fostering widesprea…

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S4E15: It's a James Cameron Christmas! 2:55:20

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Happy holidays from the folks at You're Tall but I'm Standing in Front of You! We celebrate the end of a terrible year and the conclusion of season 4 by finally venturing into one of the few corners of James Cameron's oeuvre we've left untrodden. That's right: we recorded a watchalong discussion of Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), featuring repea…

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How You Can Leverage AI for Big Decisions - Insights from Geoff Woods 43:35

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In this episode, Geoff Woods, bestselling author of The AI Driven Leader and founder of AI Leadership, reveals how leaders can leverage AI to tackle big decisions and strategic challenges. Geoff introduces a transformative mindset shift: stop asking, “How can I do this?” and start asking, “How can AI help me do this?” Through real-world examples, h…