Hosted by Grand Canyon University (GCU) adjunct instructor and professional instructional designer Jackie Pelegrin, this podcast explores instructional design, e-learning, and how to incorporate AI technology into different aspects of your work. Tune in for expert tips, real-world insights, and inspiring stories from students, alumni, and leaders in the field.
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Getting real about what it takes. The Amy Porterfield Show is a podcast devoted to helping online business owners grow their revenue, audience, and team in a sustainable way that doesn’t just require more time and hustle. Host Amy Porterfield, New York Times bestselling author and $130MM online business owner, shares insights from her own 16+ years in business, as well as candid conversations with leaders in the industry, captivating experts, and the unexpected entrepreneurs who’ve cracked t ...
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Grab your favorite brew (ours is coffee ☕) and sit down with Paul Schneider and Chris Van Wingerden from dominKnow. Together they unpack the real-world headaches L&D pros face — managing learning content creation, operations, and proving business value. Expect lively chats with guest experts and practical tips you can plug straight into your learning strategies or development workflows. Whether you’re a veteran L&D leader or a brand-new instructional designer, tune in for strategic, technolo ...
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Catalysts spotlights bold leaders who are actively redefining how we learn, lead, and grow—inside the organizations shaping tomorrow’s workforce. Through candid, future-facing conversations, the series elevates executives, founders, and consultants who are not just reacting to change, but driving it. This is the podcast where thought leaders in learning and development don’t just share strategies—they shape the next era of leadership, innovation, and organizational transformation.
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Welcome to "Teaching Python Podcast,” the go-to podcast for anyone interested in the intersection of education and coding. Hosted by Kelly Paredes and Sean Tibor, this podcast dives into the thrills and challenges of teaching middle school computer science through the engaging and versatile Python programming language. About the Hosts: Kelly Paredes brings a wealth of global experience in curriculum design and currently inspires sixth and eighth graders at Pine Crest School in Fort Lauderdal ...
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This podcast describes various technology tools one can use to make E-Learning fun and interactive.
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Learn more about instructional design, eLearning development, and how to become an instructional designer with Devlin Peck. Devlin's mission is to help you improve your instructional design skills and land better opportunities, and this podcast will help you do exactly that.
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The eLearning Coach Podcast
Connie Malamed: Helps people build stand-out careers in learning design.
Connie Malamed is founder of Mastering Instructional Design and publisher of The eLearning Coach. She helps people learn, build and grow instructional design skills. Listen to interviews with expert designers, developers, authors, and professors who provide strategies for effective learning design. If you have a passion for instructional design, cognitive psychology and visual communication, this podcast is for you.
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Learn how to be more useful as a Learning and Development (L&D) professional. Episodes cover the wide range of topics associated with L&D, including: Instructional Design, EdTech, Team Management, Training, eLearning, Stakeholder Relationships, Strategy, Performance Consulting and starting a career in L&D.
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A podcast for all things learning and development, instructional design and eLearning.
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In each episode, Tom McDowall, Chief Learning Geek at Evolve L&D, sits down for a chat with a learning and development professional to discuss their big idea for our industry. We discuss instructional design, eLearning development, EdTech, accessibility and all things relating to workplace learning and development.
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Instructional designers specializes in the creation of learning solutions. In this podcast, Rebecca J Hogue interviews instructional designers from a variety of different fields, with the goal of gaining a better understanding of what instructional designers do. The role of instructional designers varies across contexts including formal education, corporate sector, healthcare, non-profit, military, government, and more. Further the types of learning solutions created by instructional designe ...
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This podcast is the audio-only version of TLDCast, a livestreamed broadcast for instructional designers, learning experience designers, educational technologists, or anyone involved in workplace learning. Some of the audio content is edited for brevity. Learn more at www.TLDC.us.
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Learning Lights - The Instructional Design, eLearning, and Training Podcast by Shafali Anand
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This podcast covers topics on instructional design, eLearning content development, training design and development - and talks about how to create content that binds your audience. This podcast is for aspiring and practicing learning professionals, including content developers, instructional designers, trainers, and teachers. The host of this podcast, Shafali Anand, has been designing and delivering online and classroom training programs on Instructional Design and eLearning for the past 15 ...
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Recordings of various talks and presentations given by Jason Rhode concerning educational technology and instructional design for online learning (enhanced)
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Upload/Download is a podcast hosted by James Hatten, PhD, an instructor at the University of South Florida. Dr. Hatten teaches courses on Online Teaching and Learning, Distance Learning, Web Design, instructional Design, and eLearning Design and Development.
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The Smart Brand Marketing Podcast: Online Business | Content Marketing | SEO | Sales | Lifestyle Design
Tom Libelt: Lifestyle Entrepreneur, Small Business Consultant & SEO Expert
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Learning to Design: Course Design Made Easy with Sarah Wilson
Sarah Wilson, M.Ed., Instructional Designer, eLearning Design, and Learning Evaluation Strategist
Are you interested in instructional design? Instructional designers have never been in such great demand. Whether you've been asked to create some training at work, or to whip up a presentation, or even to create some kind of elearning, you're in the right place. Have you ever felt like creating great learning content is a bit tricky or maybe just out of reach? Do you ever wonder about how you can make your learning designs more interesting and effective? Do you know how to really connect wi ...
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Explore the barriers to skills transfer and how to overcome them, with a sprinkle of neuroscience. Stella Collins and her guests share insights into how L&D can take people from knowing – to doing. Watch out skills gap – we're coming for you!
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Whether you are a college professor, corporate trainer, K12 instructor, or HR professional, digital education, remote work and eLearning are affecting you. Join virtual learning scholar & design expert, Dr. Timothy M. Stafford, Program Director for the MS program in Instructional Design and Technology at St. Thomas University as he tackles some of the issues with designing facilitating and assessing instruction in digital spaces, along with some special "rockstar” guests along the way. Suppo ...
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The E-Learning Curve Podcast is the podcast service for Michael Hanley's popular E-Learning Curve Blog. This podcast elaborates on e-learning topics covered on his blog.
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An L&D podcast with Senior Instructional Designer Jeremy Brown & Senior Project Manager Sarah Meyer. To put it simply: we are terrible students. That doesn't mean that we aren't paying attention, that we don’t understand the course content, or that we can’t pass whatever assessment is at the end. It means that if we’re in a class, we’re probably evaluating the course itself more than listening. We are listening to speech patterns, evaluating how the course is put together, and if the flow is ...
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Leading the conversation with the people, challenges, issues, and tools and technology that shape the L&D world. Join us as we uncover valuable insights and practical strategies that can revolutionize your L&D initiatives. From innovative training methods to cutting-edge learning technologies, we explore the tools and techniques that are shaping the future of talent development. Whether you're an L&D leader, instructional designer, or aspiring to become one, this podcast is your go-to resour ...
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The show devoted to learning, instructional design and technology. We bring you conversations with leading lights in our industry. From theory to practice, from the classroom to online delivery, we cover it all. Brought to you by the award-winning Defense Acquisition University.
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Are we ready for the future of work? 1Huddle’s original podcast series tackles all things jobs, innovation, and future of work. Hear from CEOs, coaches, educators, elected officials, entrepreneurs, and startups as they share their experiences, perspective, and advice for today's workforce. Ready to get to work?
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The Brutally Honest Evolution of My Courses
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33:04The Part of Course Creation No One Talks About (And Why You Need to Start Anyway) Ever think that a messy first course and a few failed launches could eventually lead to your signature program? In this episode, I’m taking you behind the scenes of my journey with digital courses—from my very first $267 launch to creating Digital Course Academy—and s…
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Designing for the Connected Learner: A Connectivism Guide
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6:28Welcome to episode 48 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I dive into a learning theory that is especially relevant in our digital world, which is Connectivism. Ever wondered why traditional learning designs feel increasingly outdated in our digital world? The answer lies in Connectivism: a revolutionary approach that's reshaping how effectiv…
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Welcome to episode 47 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I dive into a concept that flips the traditional design process on its head: Backward Design. Have you ever created a learning experience that left you wondering whether your learners truly understood the point? Backward Design might be the solution you've been seeking. This transforma…
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I Wasted $20,000 (Here’s the Lesson I Still Use Today)
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24:55Your Fear Of Wasting Time And Money In Course Creation Is Costing You (+ A Hack To Fix It Fast) If you’ve been sitting on a course idea for months (even years), telling yourself you’ll do it “someday,” chances are fear is in the driver’s seat. Maybe you’re worried it will take too much time, cost too much money, or flop without the perfect polish. …
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The Kirkpatrick Model: Measuring Learning Impact That Actually Matters
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6:23Welcome to episode 46 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I discuss the nuts and bolts of the Kirkpatrick Model, why it matters for new designers, a practical example, and some tips for getting started. How do you know if your learning experiences actually worked? The answer goes far beyond handing out smiley face surveys at the end of traini…
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Beyond Engagement Theater: What Drives L&D Performance
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47:28What if everything you think you know about learner engagement is wrong? Clark Quinn, renowned learning scientist and author of "Make It Meaningful," joins IDIODC to challenge conventional L&D wisdom. He reveals the research-backed approach to creating learning experiences that actually drive business results. We'll explore the critical difference …
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Solving Dyslexia: A Revolutionary Approach with Russell Van Brocklen
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1:03:11Welcome to episode 45 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Russell Van Brocklen, The Dyslexic Professor. What if everything we thought we knew about dyslexia was backward? Russell, who is the self-described "Dyslexic Professor," turns conventional wisdom on its head with a revolutionary approach th…
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Launch Diaries: AI, Trends & The Truth About Selling Courses in 2025
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29:49What 6 Top Course Creators Would Do If They Were Launching Today What if you could pull up a chair to a private mastermind with online business leaders and hear exactly what they’d do if they were creating and launching a digital course today? Well, you’re in luck, my friend! In this episode, you’ll get insights from my most trusted entrepreneurial…
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Designing for Everyone: A Guide to Universal Design for Learning
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7:57Welcome to episode 44 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I discuss what Universal Design for Learning (UDL) is, why it matters to instructional design, three core principles, practical tips so you can start using UDL today, and a real-world example. Accessibility isn't an afterthought; it's the foundation of great instructional design. Have …
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Why Most Course Launches Fail (and How to Fix Yours)
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38:05The Launch Strategies That Actually Work In Today’s Trust-Recession Market In this episode, I’m joined by Emily Hirsh, CEO of Embodied Marketing, to uncover the strategies that are actually working in today’s digital course landscape. We’re no longer in the early days when a course could succeed just by sharing information. Today’s buyers are overl…
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Unlock Learning Potential with Mayer's 12 Multimedia Principles
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11:41Welcome to episode 43 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I dive into a set of research-based guidelines that will transform how you design multimedia content, whether it's a video lesson, e-learning module, or interactive slideshow. Struggling to create multimedia content that truly engages your learners without overwhelming them? This episo…
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Visual Design for Learning Performance and Accessibility
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45:36What if better visual design could simultaneously boost learning outcomes and meet accessibility requirements? Visual design expert Connie Malamed, author of "Visual Design Solutions," reveals how strategic visual choices enhance learning for everyone — then shows how to make those same visuals accessible without compromising effectiveness. We'll e…
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Episode 150: LLMs with Simon WIllison
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1:36:27In this milestone 150th episode, hosts Kelly Schuster-Paredes and Sean Tibor sit down with Simon Willison, co-creator of Django and creator of Datasette and LLM tools, for an in-depth conversation about artificial intelligence in Python education. The discussion covers the current landscape of LLMs in coding education, from the benefits of faster i…
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My "Best and Worst" List of Current Digital Course Trends
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37:56The “Old Way” Of Creating Digital Courses Doesn’t Work. Here’s What’s Replacing It If someone told you digital courses are dead, I get it. I've heard that too. But here’s the truth: the old way of creating digital courses? Yeah, that’s done. But the new way is more powerful, more profitable, and honestly...way more fun! In this episode, I’m breakin…
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Leading Through Disruption: Rahul Karan Sharma on Human-Centered Transformation
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36:18In this episode of Catalysts, I sit down with Rahul Karan Sharma—organizational development consultant, fractional CLO, and Forbes Coaches Council member—to explore what it really takes to lead through change that matters. Rahul has spent 20+ years helping companies navigate post-merger integration, cultural alignment, and leadership acceleration. …
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Mastering the ARCS Model for Adult Learning
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12:28Welcome to episode 42 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I cover how you can leverage the ARCS model when designing adult learning experiences. Ever designed a learning experience that simply didn't connect with your audience? The missing ingredient might be motivation—the essential element that transforms passive content consumption into ac…
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[CASE STUDY] One Custom GPT. 600 Sign Ups. 2 Weeks.
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38:23A Digital Course, an AI Bot, and a Smart Two-Offer Strategy That Works If you’ve been wondering how AI can create true opportunity in your business, this episode is worth the 36 minutes. I’m chatting with Becca Harpain, a Digital Course Academy student who didn’t just create a successful digital course, she took things to the next level by launchin…
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Designing with Intention: Ron Price on the Power of Experiential E-Learning
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38:49In this episode of Catalysts, I sit down with Ron Price, Chief Learning Officer at Yukon Learning—Articulate’s official training partner for over 17 years. Ron brings a rare blend of deep instructional design expertise and hands-on development experience, helping organizations turn good ideas into great learning experiences. Together, we explore: W…
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Light the Fire, Don't Fill the Pail: Adult Learning Secrets
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11:43Welcome to episode 41 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I cover why understanding Adult Learning Theory is fundamental to creating effective and engaging learning experiences for adult learners. Ever wondered why some learning experiences resonate deeply with adult learners while others fall flat? The answer lies in understanding how adults…
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Fix the Meeting: Frameworks for High-Performance L&D Teams
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55:18Let's be honest — L&D teams are drowning in meetings that feel like productivity black holes. But what if those same meetings could become your secret weapon for driving real business results? Communication expert Mike Simmons has figured out how to transform meetings from time-wasting rituals into strategic performance engines, and joins our IDIOD…
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Human-First in the Age of AI: Arika Pierce Williams on Rebranding Leadership for a New Era
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34:27In this episode of Catalysts, I sit down with Arika Pierce Williams, CEO and Founder of Piercing Strategies, to talk about what it really means to lead in the AI era—without losing what makes us human. Arika isn’t just rethinking leadership—she’s rebranding it. Through her Human-First Leadership™ framework, she’s helping organizations develop leade…
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7 Ways to Make Money Before the End of the Year
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37:31Revenue Not Flowing Like It Used To? Here’s The Fix. Let’s face it → things in the online space have shifted. Buying behavior has changed, conversions have slowed for many, and the strategies that used to work aren’t landing like they used to. But don’t hit the panic button just yet. In this episode, I’m giving you 7 real, achievable ways to bring …
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Breaking Free From Bad Course Design with Dr. Catrina Mitchum
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36:18Welcome to episode 40 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Catrina Mitchum, an educator, instructional designer, and the founder of Catrina Mitchum Learning Design. Ever wondered why so many online courses fail to deliver meaningful learning experiences? In this enlightening conversation with D…
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Unlocking Modern Work: Mark Cruth on Curiosity, Collaboration, and Making Change Stick
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40:35In this episode of Catalysts, I sit down with Mark Cruth, Principal Modern Work Coach at Atlassian, to explore what it really takes to create effective, energized, and high-performing teams in today’s complex world of work. Mark is a keynote speaker, collaboration coach, and one of the leading voices in the future of teamwork—internally at Atlassia…
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The Future of Your Business Includes AI Agents… And They’re Not as Complicated as You Think In this episode, I sit down with my longtime friend and AI-savvy entrepreneur, Rick Mulready, to talk about something that's been blowing my mind lately → AI agents. You’ve heard about ChatGPT, and if you’re an overachiever, you’ve even dabbled in CustomGPTs…
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Faith Leads the Way: Building a Better World Through Giving with Tommy Kilpatrick
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1:04:15Welcome to episode 39 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Tommy Kilpatrick, a retired teacher and author. Tommy Kilpatrick's spiritual journey takes us from the classrooms of California to the villages of the Philippines in this thought-provoking exploration of faith, purpose, and radical giving. …
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The Great Training Transformation: Adapt or Become Irrelevant
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49:55The future of workplace training is arriving faster than anyone predicted, and Donald H Taylor has a shocking forecast: traditional training courses have just 2-5 years left before they become extinct. Drawing from his latest Global Sentiment Survey and decades of L&D expertise, Donald will reveal how personalization, coaching/simulation and learne…
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Here’s What I Wish I Knew at Each Milestone If you're sitting at six figures and asking yourself, "What do I need to focus on to grow this business the right way?" — this episode is your roadmap. I’m walking you through what I call the three critical scaling phases: the Foundation Phase at $100K, the Momentum to Millions Phase at $500K, and the Lea…
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Better at Being Human: DavidLee Richardson on Leadership, Credibility, and the Power of Empathy
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33:36In this episode of Catalysts, I’m joined by DavidLee Richardson, Head of Organizational Leadership Development at Harris & Harris. David brings a grounded, deeply human approach to developing leaders—focusing on trust, credibility, and connection as the foundation for high-impact leadership. We explore: Why employee engagement data should drive lea…
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Beyond the LMS: Why Instructional Design Keeps Growing with Shane Strand
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34:12Welcome to episode 38 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Shane Strand, an instructional designer who works in the higher education sector. Ever wondered how educators transform into instructional designers? Shane takes us through his fascinating journey from high school teacher to curriculum coor…
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What to Stop Doing to Create a Life You Love with Sahil Bloom
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46:38You’ve Made More Money Than You Ever Thought Possible—So Why Doesn’t It Feel Like the Life You Wanted? What if money isn't the ultimate measure of success? My conversation with bestselling author Sahil Bloom seriously challenged the way I think about wealth, and I have a feeling it’s going to do the same for you. In this episode, Sahil shares how a…
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Designing Smarter, Leading Better: Andrew O’Malley on AI, Emotion, and the Future of L&D
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30:47In this episode of Catalysts, I sit down with Andrew O’Malley, instructional designer and learning strategist, to talk about how L&D is evolving—and what it takes to stay ahead. From experimenting with AI to designing emotionally intelligent learning experiences, Andrew is pushing the boundaries of what’s possible in training and development. We ex…
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Career Shifts: From Classroom to Corporate Instructional Design with Sakina Brandford
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33:04Welcome to episode 37 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Sakina Brandford, an instructional designer in the corporate industry and recent graduate of the Master of Science in Instructional Design program at Grand Canyon University. The journey from classroom teaching to corporate instructional de…
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Make Learners Want It: Marketing 101 for L&D Rebels
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48:42L&D’s relevance crisis is here — and hope isn’t a strategy. Marketing expert Ashley Hinchcliffe flips the script on traditional learning functions with the People Impact Loop™, a bold framework to transform L&D from content factories to business-critical enablers. Discover why learner-centric buzzwords fall short, how to design initiatives employee…
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Know Your Numbers: The Game-Changing Shift Most Entrepreneurs Skip
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43:08The Real Growth Is Hidden In The Data That Most People Overlook In this episode, I’m pulling back the curtain on the exact numbers I teach inside my Millie Club Mastermind. These are the same numbers that help 7-figure business owners stop flying blind and start making decisions that actually move the needle. If you’re only tracking top-line revenu…
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Episode 149: Guiding Education with Sheena O'Connell
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47:42Description In this episode, we're thrilled to welcome Sheena O'Connell, an educator and developer from South Africa who has been making waves in the Python education community. Sheena shares her journey from electrical engineering to founding Prelude, where she runs advanced Django learning sprints and teamwork training courses. We explore the cri…
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L&D as a Change Catalyst: Cole Bastion on Leading L&D as a Strategic Engine
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38:40In this episode of Catalysts, I’m joined by Cole Bastion, Senior Director of Learning and Culture at HOA Brands, where he's helped reduce management turnover by 10% and transformed L&D into a powerful driver of enterprise-wide change. We dive deep into how Cole positions his team not as order-takers—but as change makers. Key topics we cover: Why L&…
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Math Revolution: Rethinking Education with Dr. Craig Hane
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51:41Welcome to episode 36 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Craig Hane, a math educator and founder of the Triad Math Army. Mathematics doesn't have to be intimidating, confusing, or useless. Dr. Craig Hane proves this through his remarkable journey from being told he wasn't "college material" t…
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Making Learning Stick: David Grad on the Science, Strategy, and Business Case for Live Training That Delivers
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34:11David Grad was once leading creative teams at MTV. Now, he’s solving one of the toughest problems in learning and development: how to make live training actually stick. In this episode of Catalysts, David shares the origin story behind elevator9, the learning tech company he co-founded to ensure live training drives measurable, lasting impact. Draw…
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More Peace, More Profit: The Power of Walking Away From the Wrong Goals with Morgan DeBaun
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48:51The Bold Reset You Didn't Know You Needed If you’ve ever found yourself chasing a version of success that no longer fits, this episode is your reminder that you have the power to rewrite your rules. I’m joined by powerhouse entrepreneur and author Morgan DeBaun to explore what it really means to build a business and life on your own terms. We talk …
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Mastering the SAM Model: A Guide to Rapid Instructional Design
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13:41Welcome to episode 35 of the Designing with Love podcast, where I introduce the SAM Model, explain why you should choose it for rapid development, describe its phases, offer tips for implementing it, and discuss some common pitfalls and how to avoid them. Ready to revolutionize your instructional design approach? The SAM (Successive Approximation M…
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Immersive by Design: Making Mixed Reality Part of the Blend
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52:09Immersive tech isn't just cool. It's useful. And more importantly, it fits right into the blended learning you're already building. In this IDIODC session, Destery Hildenbrand, a Learning Technology Consultant and Immersive Technology Evangelist, will walk you through integrating mixed reality, such as AR and MR, into your learning experiences. We'…
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From Cost Center to Catalyst: Dr. Keith Keating on Redefining the Value of L&D
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33:09In this episode of Catalysts, I’m joined by Dr. Keith Keating, Chief Learning & Development Officer at BDO Canada and author of Hidden Value: How to Reveal the Impact of Organizational Learning. Keith is a powerhouse in the world of learning strategy—a practitioner-scholar who believes L&D shouldn’t just defend its worth, but amplify its impact. We…
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Your Copy's Too Safe - Here's How to Fix It (And Finally Sound Like You)
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29:04When Your Copy Evolves, So Does Your Business In this episode, I share how shedding "safe" copy transformed my business. From sharpening your brand message to showing up as your unapologetic self, I dive into the copywriting strategies that helped me write with more clarity, confidence, and connection. You’ll learn how to channel bold, emotionally …
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The 5-Step Method to Reinvent Your Classroom in the AI Era with Dr. Matthew Metzgar
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47:36Welcome to episode 34 of the Designing with Love podcast! In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Matthew Metzgar, an expert in the higher education field and the author of a new book titled The Overnight AI Educator: Transform Your Course in 24 Hours. Dr. Matthew Metzger explores how AI is transforming education and shares his inno…
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The Future of Work Is Human: Danielle Wallace on AI, Empathy, and Effective Learning
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35:22In this episode of Catalysts, I’m joined by Danielle Wallace, Chief Learning Strategist at Beyond the Sky and host of You in 2042: The Future of Work. With a background in marketing and leadership roles at companies like Procter & Gamble and PepsiCo, Danielle brings a uniquely human—and deeply practical—lens to some of the biggest shifts happening …
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Design Like a Big Brand, on a Small Budget with Jen Olmstead
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41:58The Website Upgrade Your Business Has Been Waiting For Want a brand that instantly builds trust and makes you money? It all starts with your website. In this episode, I’m joined by Jen Olmstead, co-founder and lead designer of Tonic Site Shop. Jen is a design powerhouse with a journalism background, and she’s here to show you how to incorporate you…
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#137: Dr. Jerry Lynch — Author of “Lead With Love,” Founder and Director of Way of Champions, Former Naval Officer, Sports Psychologist, Philosopher
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52:31We’re back! And who better to join us for our return, than one of the biggest stars on Bring It In: Dr. Jerry Lynch! A former Officer in the U.S. Navy and Nike sponsored competitive runner, Dr. Jerry Lynch is a Founder of Way of Champions, a performance consultancy that combines elite sports psychology, with international philosophy concepts, to ge…
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