Honest talk about culture, systems, belief, and mental health — with no corporate fluff. Welcome to The Slog Pod, where two longtime friends and Army veterans — Dustin Flatt (MSW, MBA) and TJ Westphal (MA) — cut through the noise of modern life, work, and culture to ask harder questions. Why do we think the way we do? Why do systems fail us? And why is change so damn hard? This isn’t therapy. It’s not hustle culture. It’s not another leadership podcast selling toxic positivity. It’s real tal ...
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The Faith First podcast exists to provide insight, resources, and wisdom on Christian living for those wanting to grow in their faith through a biblical worldview. We will feature faculty, staff, and friends of Boyce College and Southern Seminary. At Boyce College, our aim is to put “the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints” *first* for the character formation of our students through an education founded on a Biblical worldview — so that the next generation might live centered ...
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Episode 2.21 Exploring Authenticity in Organizational Culture
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15:48This Slog pod episode explores applying therapeutic principles used with individuals to larger systems and cultures. The hosts discuss the importance of authenticity, curiosity, and open-ended questions in understanding and improving organizations and societal systems. They emphasize meeting systems where they are, acknowledging discomfort and resi…
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Episode 2.19 Tracing the Origins: Unpacking Inherited Beliefs and Conditioned Truths
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29:48In this episode of the Slog Pod, the hosts delve into the concept of conditioning; how our beliefs, behaviors, and perceptions are predominantly shaped by inherited and reinforced systems such as family, school, media, religion, and politics. They explore personal experiences and societal structures that mold our thinking, often before we have the …
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Episode 2.18 Anecdotes and the Truth: Finding Balance in Personal Stories
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23:10This episode of The Slog Pod explores why people often rely on personal stories as truth and how anecdotal evidence can distort beliefs and decisions. The hosts discuss the psychological comfort of anecdotes, their potential damage in public discourse, and emphasize the importance of seeking truth beyond personal experiences. They argue that while …
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How to Start Godly Friendships in College Part 1 w/ Tyler Flatt
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33:33In this episode of the Faith First podcast, host Ana Lee sits down with Dr. Tyler Flatt to discuss the significance of cultivating godly friendships during the college years. They explore how these relationships can shape one's faith and character, especially in a world where many students drift from their beliefs. Dr. Flatt shares insights on the …
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Episode 2.17 Facing the Mirror: America in Therapy
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20:16The episode centers on the therapy-inspired concept that change, both in individuals and in broader cultural systems, happens through sitting with discomfort and self-reflection, not through quick fixes or avoidance. The hosts draw parallels between individual therapy clients recognizing and addressing dysfunction and the American culture's current…
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Episode 2.16 The Art of Seeing Others: Crafting a Considerate Culture
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24:21In this episode of 'The Slog Pod', the hosts discuss the noticeable decline in politeness and awareness in public spaces such as grocery stores, airports, concerts, and traffic. They share personal stories of encountering thoughtless behavior and analyze the reasons behind this trend, including the impact of technology, the pace of modern life, and…
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Episode 2.15 D-Day: Honoring Our Past, Confronting Our Present
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22:05This episode marks the 81st anniversary of D-Day, reflecting on the courage of young Americans who fought fascism in 1944. It contrasts that bravery with modern-day apathy and authoritarian threats in the United States. The hosts criticize President Donald Trump's actions and the rise of fascist tendencies. They explore the dangerous patterns of di…
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Episode 2.14 Society in Therapy: Identifying Our Collective Issues
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18:34This episode of 'The Slog Pod' features a therapy-themed discussion where the hosts, Dustin and TJ, explore the state of modern culture through a therapeutic lens. They discuss how society resembles a traumatized client showing signs like denial, projection, and emotional numbing. They emphasize the importance of first recognizing and admitting the…
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Dustin hosts this episode of The Slog Pod alone while his co-host TJ is away. He discusses the pervasive issues plaguing modern society, including cultural and systemic failures. Using Simon and Garfunkel's 'The Sound of Silence' as a metaphor, Dustin highlights how society has created idols out of destructive systems. He shares personal experience…
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Episode 2.12 Living the Lie: When Personal Narratives Take Over Truth
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22:01In this episode of the Slog Pod, the hosts explore the human tendency to shape and curate reality. They discuss why people resist facing facts, focusing on the psychological and cultural motivations behind this behavior. The conversation delves into how individuals and institutions manipulate narratives to protect identity, avoid pain, and maintain…
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Episode 2.11 Unmasking Performative Agreement: Truth vs. Flattery
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31:38This episode delves into the increasing prevalence of performative agreement, empty flattery, and fear-based silence in various spheres such as corporate meetings, social media, and politics. Hosts discuss how sycophancy has become a career strategy and its impacts on organizational culture, political loyalty, and media landscapes. They highlight t…
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Episode 2.10 Breaking the Silence: Understanding Everyday Powerlessness
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17:42This episode of 'The Slog Pod' addresses the feeling of powerlessness, particularly the insidious kind that arises in everyday situations such as work, relationships, and society. The hosts discuss how powerlessness stems from awareness hitting a wall, which is not always external, sometimes originating in our minds. They differentiate powerlessnes…
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Mentorship in the Church Part 2 w/ Dr. Dustin Bruce
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31:34In this episode of the Faith First Podcast, host Ana Lee engages in a profound discussion about the importance of mentorship in Christian living. Joined by Dr. Bruce, they explore how to cultivate meaningful mentor-mentee relationships that foster spiritual growth and joy. They emphasize the need for clarity in expectations, the value of vulnerabil…
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Episode 2.09 Rebuilding Trust: From Mistrust to Moderation
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22:07This episode of The Slog Pod delves into the pervasive distrust in media, science, and government, examining the causes and consequences of binary thinking. The hosts discuss the tendency to view systems as entirely corrupt or entirely trustworthy and emphasize the importance of embracing complexity and ambiguity. They encourage critical thinking a…
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Episode 2.08 The Slog of Discovery: Firing Confirmation Bias
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18:55In this episode of The Slog Pod, hosts delve into the concept of confirmation bias, describing it as a persistent force that shapes our ego, distorts our thinking, and upholds unproductive systems. The discussion focuses on how confirmation bias manifests in our personal and professional lives, including in hiring practices and cultural beliefs. Th…
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Episode 2.07 The Slog to Belief: Navigating Uncertainty
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21:48In this episode of the Slog Pod, the hosts dive into the theme of human beliefs, exploring how certainty often feels safer than doubt and how various systems exploit our fear of uncertainty. They encourage listeners to engage in the mental slog of questioning and adapting beliefs, recognizing biases, and understanding the conditioning behind these …
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Episode 2.05 God can handle your doubt, can you?
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29:09The episode discusses the complex role of religious belief in individual lives and society. The hosts explore how religion can be both a personal guide and a means of institutional control. They share personal backgrounds and experiences with religion, highlighting shifts in religious norms and how faith can sometimes short-circuit critical thinkin…
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Mentorship in the Church Part 1 w/ Dr. Dustin Bruce
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25:51In this episode of the Faith First Podcast, host Ana Lee engages in a profound discussion on the importance of mentorship in the church with Dr. Dustin Bruce, Dean of Boyce College. They explore the nuances of mentoring relationships, particularly through the lens of Titus 2, and how these connections can provide invaluable wisdom for navigating th…
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Episode 2.04 Bridging Paradigms: Gen X in Business, Media and Politics
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17:16The podcast discusses the unique position of Generation X in today's society. The hosts argue that Gen Xers serve as cultural translators, bridging the gap between analog and digital realms and fostering a balance between skepticism and pragmatism. They reflect on their formative experiences, such as living without the internet and dealing with sig…
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Episode 2.03 Selling Outrage: A Business Model
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18:23In this episode of “The Slog Pod,” the hosts discuss the pervasive influence of outrage culture in today’s society, particularly on social media platforms like X and Instagram. They explore how businesses, media, and religious institutions capitalize on outrage to drive clicks, views, and profits, often at the cost of social and cultural health. Th…
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Episode 2.02 Breaking Chains: Due Process and Cultural Awakening
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21:13This episode of The Slog Pod addresses recent alarming actions by the Trump administration regarding deportation of individuals to El Salvador bypassing due process and defying the Supreme Court. The hosts discuss the broader implications of these actions for the American justice system, democracy, and constitutional values. They emphasize the impo…
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Episode 2.01 Tariffs and the Victim Mentality
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26:29In this episode of “The Slog Pod,” the hosts shift their focus from mental health in the workplace to analyzing the broader American political atmosphere, culture, and corporate impact through a sarcastic lens. They express frustration with recent U.S. policies, particularly tariffs, which they argue are harmful to American consumers and irrational…
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Dealing with Disappointment Part 2 w/ Erin Austin
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49:12In this episode of the Faith First Podcast, host Ana Lee engages in a heartfelt discussion about navigating disappointment and the importance of community in the Christian faith. Drawing from Revelation 21, Ana reflects on the hope and peace found in God's promises, even amidst life's challenges. She emphasizes the necessity of vulnerability and in…
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Dealing with Disappointment Part 1 w/ Erin Austin
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32:50In this episode of the Faith First Podcast, host Ana Lee welcomes Professor Erin Austin back to discuss the often uncomfortable topic of disappointment. They explore how disappointment can lead us to sin and disbelief, emphasizing the importance of handling it biblically. With insights on emotional responses and the role of community, Erin shares p…
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Holding Grudges and Forgiveness w/ Dr. Jeremy Pierre
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47:44In this episode, host Ana Lee engages with Dr. Jeremy Pierre to discuss the topics of holding grudges and the importance of forgiveness in the Christian life. They delve into the complexities of unforgiveness, exploring its emotional roots and the biblical principles that guide us towards a heart of mercy. Dr. Pierre shares practical insights on ho…
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Practical Wisdom in Dating – Live from CrossCon 25
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35:21For more information on CrossCon, visit: https://www.crosscon.com/By Boyce College
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What Should I Look for in a Wife? – Live from CrossCon 25
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32:54In this special episode, we present a breakout session from the Cross Conference 25 featuring Dr. Jeremy Pierre, who shares invaluable insights on dating and marriage. Titled "What Should I Look for in a Wife?" Dr. Pierre discusses what qualities to look for in a potential spouse, emphasizing the importance of aligning one's desires with biblical w…
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Living a Selfless Life Part 2 w/ Tanya York
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36:55Join us in this enlightening episode of the Faith First Podcast as we continue our conversation with Mrs. Tanya York on living a selfless life. Discover how modeling Jesus Christ can transform your relationships and community, bringing joy and glorifying God. This episode offers practical insights on uprooting selfishness and embracing servitude, w…
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Living a Selfless Life Part 1 w/ Tanya York
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39:28In this episode of the Faith First podcast, host Ana Lee engages in a captivating conversation with Tanya York, a pastor's wife, mentor, and teacher at the Seminary Wives Institute. Together, they delve into the concept of living a selfless life, drawing on biblical teachings and personal experiences. Discover why selflessness is a foundational Chr…
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Why Should We Care About Church History? W/ Dr. Timothy Paul Jones
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49:17In this episode of the Faith First Podcast, host Ana Lee is joined by Dr. Timothy Paul Jones, to explore the profound significance of church history. Discover the transformative journey that led Dr. Jones to become passionate about church history and how understanding the past can illuminate our faith today. Together, they unpack the meaning of chu…
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How Do I Share My Faith? w/ Dr. John Klaassen
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29:19In this episode, host Ana Lee is joined by Dr. John Klaassen to explore the topic of personal evangelism. Delve into discussions on overcoming intimidation in sharing faith, understanding the true essence of evangelism, and practical methods for spreading the gospel. Gain insight into how sharing the gospel affects both the sharer and the receiver,…
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Navigating Wisdom in a Digital Age w/ Jason Thacker
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46:54In this episode of the Faith First podcast, host Ana Lee engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Jason Thacker, assistant professor of philosophy and ethics at Boyce College. Together, they dive into the complexities of navigating wisdom in a digital age. Jason shares his journey from aspiring pastor to academic, inspired by the intersecti…
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What Books Should Christians Read? W/ Dr. Alisha Biler
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42:17In this episode of the Faith First podcast from Boyce College, host Ana Lee discusses with Dr. Alisha Biler, an assistant professor of English and linguistics, the significance of reading for Christians. They explore why reading is important in a digital era, how to identify worthwhile books, and the impact of reading on character formation and fai…
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Finding God’s Will For Your Life w/ Dr. Hershael York
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56:08On this episode of the Faith First Podcast, we explore finding God's will for your life. Host Ana Lee sits down with Dr. Herschel York, pastor emeritus of Buck Run Baptist Church and Dean of the School of Theology at Southern Seminary. Together, they discuss the nuances between God's will and calling, the importance of trust in divine guidance, and…
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Why Should I be a Part of the Local Church? w/ John Holland
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30:26Dive into the heart of Christian community with the Faith First podcast featuring John Holland. Join us as we explore the biblical significance of congregational life, the transformative power of gospel-centered fellowship, and practical advice for finding and thriving in a church community. References: Boyce College https://www.boycecollege.com/ S…
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Porn is a Lie, the Gospel is True w/ Dr. Curtis Solomon
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1:10:30In this episode of the Faith First podcast, we tackle the sensitive yet crucial topic of battling pornography with Dr. Curtis Solomon. Dr. Solomon, Executive Director of the Biblical Counseling Coalition and Assistant Professor at Boyce College, shares his insights and experiences to help those struggling with pornography and sexual sin. Dr. Solomo…
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Episode 12 - A new perspective on workplace mental health
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1:19:51Dustin and TJ welcome Heather MacDonald to a conversation about current strategies for workplace mental health. The group discusses contemporary solutions and potential systemic solutions for the future. Heather works in the space, explaining what she encounters in her everyday work and why she is seeking a new way forward.…
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Navigating Dating in College w/ Dr. Matt Haste
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42:19In this episode, we delve into the topic of dating in college with Dr. Matthew D. Haste, Associate Professor of Biblical Spirituality and Biblical Counseling at Southern Seminary and Boyce College. Dr. Haste shares his wisdom on how to approach dating from a biblical perspective, the characteristics to look for in a partner, and the importance of c…
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Episode 11 - Why social interactions are the foundation. Investment vs expense
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49:32TJ and Dustin revisit the reasons they are continuing the discussion and why they press organizations to see and improve mental health through a social-cultural perspective. They are advocating for companies to prioritize social interactions as a key element of a healthy culture and mental well-being. They also aim to help others recognize that inv…
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Managing Stress in College w/ Dr. Jason Leverett
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33:29Are you feeling the weight of expectations and the stress of college? Let Dr. Jason Leverett guide you through the maze of academic pressures in the latest episode of the Faith First podcast. As we explore Dr. Leverett's experiences, from his time before the rise of social media to the present-day challenges facing students, you'll discover the imp…
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The Power of Gratitude w/ Mrs. Mary Mohler
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46:21In today’s episode, we explore the transformative power of gratitude with esteemed guest, Mrs. Mary Mohler. As the director of the Seminary Wives Institute at Southern Seminary, author of Growing in Gratitude, and wife of Southern Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr., Mrs. Mohler brings a wealth of wisdom to our discussion. Discover how gratitud…
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What Do God's Covenants Mean for Me? w/ Dr. Adam Howell
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46:55In this episode of the Faith First podcast from Boyce College, host Ana Lee discusses the significance of God's covenants with Dr. Adam Howell, associate professor of Old Testament interpretation. Dr. Howell shares his journey to becoming an Old Testament professor, the importance of studying the Old Testament for Christians, and how understanding …
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Episode 10 - Identifying a poor organizational culture. #1-authenticity
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44:32The hosts discuss whether most people would even admit if they have a poor organizational culture. We often have blinders and bias leading us to dismiss what may need to be corrected. Is that you? Additionally, do you start with authenticity?By Dustin Flatt and TJ Westphal
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How to Have a Strong Faith w/ Dr. Dustin Bruce
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27:00Dive into persevering faith with Dr. Dustin Bruce on the Faith First podcast. From Boyce College, this episode delves into persevering faith, the challenges believers face, and the means of grace that sustain us. Join host Ana Lee as she explores with Dr. Bruce the action steps for nurturing a faith that stands firm against the trials and temptatio…
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Episode 9 - Be genuine, leaders don't need to know, and focus on culture.
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40:08Dustin and TJ dive into being genuine at work along with a discussion about leaders needing to know everything. Overall, they press asking questions driving cultural change and offer that the foundation for organizations should be cultural rather than individual.By Dustin Flatt and TJ Westphal
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How Studying the New Testament Changes Your Life w/ Dr. Daniel Stevens
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31:15Join Ana Lee and Dr. Daniel Stevens as they explore the New Testament's role in shaping Christian lives. Dr. Stevens shares his insights on the intricate details of scripture and how they can guide us in love and discipleship. Learn about the transformative power of encountering Jesus through the gospels, the impact of language and context on bibli…
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Episode 8 - Are you a cultural fit, self-aware, and open to incremental change?
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43:55Dustin and TJ question the idea behind being a "cultural fit" as well as wonder where most people are on the road to self-awareness. They also discuss having patience for incremental cultural and individual change in organizations.By Dustin Flatt and TJ Westphal
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Trusting God With the Unknown w/ Professor Erin Austin
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37:26Explore faith and trust in uncertain times with Professor Erin Austin on the latest episode of the Faith First podcast. As we navigate the unpredictability of life, Erin shares valuable insights on how to anchor ourselves in God's sovereignty and find peace amidst the unknown. Drawing from personal experiences and biblical wisdom, this episode is a…
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Episode 7 - Questioning Loyalty, Means-To-An-End, and Balance
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44:14TJ and Dustin discuss how loyal they should be to their organizations. The hosts also delve into what it's like working at a job where it's a "Means to and end." Ultimately, they continue to seek balance while assessing the purpose and value recognition they hope to gain.By Dustin Flatt and TJ Westphal
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Episode 6 - Challenging Belief, Patterned Thought, and Questioning Team Players
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59:49The hosts discuss challenging belief within an organizational setting while also question what it means to be a "team player." They also look into mental health among professional athletes and how systemic pressures can further the difficulty to change problematic decisions and thought.By Dustin Flatt and TJ Westphal
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