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Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

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Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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Welcome to the Human Performance Outliers Podcast. Your host Zach Bitter, will take you through a series of interesting topics around health, fitness, endurance, running, hybrid athlete training, ultramarathon, and nutrition. Join in for interviews with folks exploring their outer limits and research in a wide variety of sports, fitness, and nutrition.
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NPR's Mountain Stage

West Virginia Public Broadcasting

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The Mountain Stage Podcast is the complete recording of the entire live show. It features songs that were cut from the radio broadcast, and it is the only place you can hear the full finale song. New episodes become available about 10 days after the premiere broadcast date. We have Spring and Fall seasons of new broadcasts, so if you heard a recent show but don’t see it at the top of the feed, just scroll back a few weeks or use the search function to find a specific artist.
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In today's episode, we welcome a very special guest, 18-year-old Australian phenom Cameron Myers. Dive into Cam's professional journey, his unique training under legendary coach Dick Telford, and his exciting 2025 race schedule. The crew also shares personal updates, including Olli's murder mystery, Morgan's MRI love affair, George's upcoming steep…
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We had a ridiculous amount of fun recording this episode! The main science topic was on a new pre-print study on post-exercise ketones, showing higher carb storage and lower glycemia in athletes taking them. Is it possible that high carb has a special interaction with post-exercise ketones that might be at the heart of recent performances? It's unc…
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Megan Eckert is a World Record holding ultramarathon athlete for Mount to Coast, teacher, and coach. She recently broke the women's 6-Day World Record, by completing 603 miles. She holds the women's Backyard Ultra record with 87 laps for 362 miles, qualified for Team USA's 24-Hour World Championship Team, and much more. Endurance Training Simplifie…
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This week on the Coffee Club podcast, Ollie Hoare debuts his platinum blonde hair while the guys discuss a tiny bit of running news, including Jakob Ingebrigtsen's unexpected injury. Tune in for unfiltered thoughts on training innovations (some questionable!), the fame of distance runners, and our brand new business venture. Thumbnail Photo: https:…
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Endurance sports are in the midst of a revolution that will change everything about what we think humans can do. This week at the Quad Rock 50 Mile, we felt it firsthand. David set a 14-minute course record at this classic, steep Colorado race. We break it all down, "no secrets" style. Topics: high-carb fueling, big hydration totals, why heat train…
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Alyssa Clark has covered a wide range of events in the ultramarathon world. She has wins at Moab 240, HURT 100 Mile, San Diego 100 Mile, Ouray 100 Mile, and Canyons 100 Mile to name a few. Alyssa also battles ulcerative colitis, presenting an additional hurdle when fueling daily and during races that entail a large nutrition variable. Endurance Tra…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Get ready for a jam-packed episode of the Coffee Club podcast! We dissect all the thrilling moments from the Grand Slam track meet in Miami, including Josh Kerr's stunning 1500m victory and the captivating 800m showdown led by Marco Arop. Join us as Morgan recou…
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This episode was recorded on April 6th, 2025 at Hylton Performing Arts Center in Manassas, VA. The lineup includes Al Stewart, Livingston Taylor, Sweet Honey In The Rock, The Nighthawks, and Cristina Vane. https://bit.ly/4lWtFIyBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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Our favorite episodes are these Q+As where we answer listener questions on all of the hottest topics! It's called a "No Secrets" Q+A because we try to take you behind the curtain, speculating about ideas that might not be talked about in public very often. Let's get spicy! The main topic was Cam Wurf's reported 200 grams of carbs per hour at Ironma…
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The boys are back in the studio for Episode 184! Get the inside scoop on our trip to the 2025 Penn Relays, including George Beamish's thrilling Ben Franklin Mile win and stellar performances from OAC's Josette Norris and Robert Farken. The episode also covers the excitement from the London Marathon, previews the upcoming Grand Slam Track meet in Mi…
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Charlie competed in D1 Cross Country and Track & Field for the University of Minnesota. He currently holds the World Record for the 50 Mile, 4:48:21 (5:46/mi). He recently won the USATF 50 KM Road Championships in a time of 2:49:01. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb Endurance Approach Series LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/HPO (free sample p…
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We put on our space cowboy outfits for this great episode! The main topic centered on the almost-ubiquitous use of higher carb intakes in recent races, from the Canyons 100k to the Boston Marathon to the cycling classics. What once seemed optional is now mandatory. Where do the next breakthroughs come from? We outline some ideas to try to catch the…
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Coffee Club Live at the Penn Relays!!! Featuring special guests, the NCAA superstars and champions from the University of North Carolina, Parker Wolfe and Ethan Strand. We also preview George's Ben Franklin Mile (before he wins it) and bring up some potential NIL prospects for some fun coffee cauldron. Thank you to On for hosting us!! Special Guest…
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PENN RELAYS LIVE SHOW RSVP: https://forms.gle/WYpsWrm7Q3zK3M5n7 Olli is finally back after six weeks away, and we're diving deep into his recent adventures, from intense training down under to racing at World Indoors and Australian Nationals. Hear all about his punishment for missing episodes, get an update on CEO Gus, and learn about Olli's big ta…
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This episode was recorded on March 9, 2025 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes The MC Taylor Goldsmith Show (featuring Taylor Goldsmith of Dawes and MC Taylor of Hiss Golden Messenger), Kat Edmonson, Ken Pomeroy, Jonny Fritz, and Scott Mulvahill. https://bit.ly/4iftS6O…
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Our minds were blown by the Boston Marathon right before recording this great episode! The main topic was a new study on the Puma R3 super-shoe, conducted by a top researcher. It showed a shocking 3% improvement in running economy relative to the previous generation of super-shoes, with a universally positive response among study participants. We d…
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Sam Harvey is one of the best Backyard Ultra runners in the World. He was part of the legendary push that resulted in three men breaking the World Record at the Big’s Backyard Ultra Championships in 2023. He has a wide range, which he recently showcased by winning the Tarawera 100 mile this year. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ ON LABS BOSTON MARATHON GIVEAWAY RSVP: https://forms.gle/1TegBqtcqaynVP7i9 PENN RELAYS LIVE SHOW RSVP: https://forms.gle/WYpsWrm7Q3zK3M5n7 Hey everyone, on this episode we dive deep into the running performance revolution with our amazing guests, coaches David R…
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This episode was recorded on February 16th, 2025 at the Canady Creative Arts Centerat West Virginia University in Morgantown, WV. The lineup includes Larkin Poe, Victoria Canal, Raye Zaragoza, Ron Pope, and Christian Lopez. https://bit.ly/3RWmKBeBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We put sensors in all the right places before this HOT episode! The main discussion was on the emerging science of heat training, centered around a 2025 study that showed 3 x weekly sessions could sustain hematological adaptations from an altitude camp. Heat training is no longer just about being ready for hot weather. It's about helping our blood …
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Special Guest: Joey Berriatua: https://www.instagram.com/joeyberriatua/ Joey's Newsletter: https://joeyberriatua.substack.com Follow us here: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coffeeclub.pod/ George Beamish: https://www.instagram.com/georgebeamish/ Morgan McD…
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James Pieratt of Wild Hunt Conditioning is preparing for a 1000 mile point to point journey along the West Coast, hitting some historic sites along the way. We unpack some of the specifics in preparation and event execution. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb Endurance Approach Series LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/HPO (free sample pack with…
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This episode was recorded on February 2nd, 2025 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes The Headhunters, Amanda Anne Platt & The Honeycutters, David Berkeley, Buffalo Rose, and Crys Matthews. https://bit.ly/42AWjHvBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We put on our finest white spandex for this amazing episode! The main topic was a new review study on protein needs for endurance athletes. The authors used a cool method of isotope labeling to argue that endurance athletes need more protein than traditional recommendations. The nutrition revolution is not just about carbs! And this one was full of…
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Adventurer, speaker, author and USMC Vet. Just completed a 60 day solo, unsupported journey covering 500 miles across Antarctica. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb Endurance Approach Series LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/HPO (free sample pack with purchase) deltaG: deltagketones.com Code: BITTER20 Maui Nui Venison: mauinuivenison.com/bitter…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ 0:00 Intro 0:54 World Indoors Recap: 5th Place & First Team USA Experience 2:52 China Adventures: Becoming a Local Legend 5:04 World Indoors 3k Race Deep Dive 7:37 Preview: Inaugural Grand Slam in Jamaica 12:47 Grand Slam: Betting, Predictions & Prize Money Talk…
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We pondered the genetics of smelling ants before this great episode! The main topic was a new study that found the brain may use myelin lipids for fuel during low glucose conditions like marathons. This could have massive implications for how we think about fueling and fatigue resistance, including for cognitive function. Our big theory: fueling is…
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For this episode, I share some thoughts on the topic of "fit but unhealthy." Recently, pro triathlete Lionel Sanders shared some details about his health concerns. This came as a surprise to some as he is visually very healthy and performed at a very high level. Some have hypothesized it is due to his hyper carb fueling strategy. Others have sugges…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ 0:00 Intro 0:20 George is Back from the Dead 1:50 The Sickness Saga 7:37 Immune System Mysteries 11:59 World Indoors Recap 16:58 1500m Heats 23:37 1500m Finals & Celebrations 25:40 3K Thrill: Ky and Dylan shine 37:12 Oceania Medal Count 43:56 Maurie Plant Previe…
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Trishul and Bob are the President and Record Keeper for the Global Organization of Multi-day Ultrarunners (GOMU). GOMU was established to supplement the existing government bodies that only recognize records of certain ultramarathon events. Both Trishul and Bob have rich histories in ultramarathon, with 100s of official events to their names. We di…
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This episode was recorded on December 8, 2024 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes SKip Moore, Joy Clark, Brad Tursi, Andrew Marlin Stringband, and Matt Mullins & The Bringdowns with guest host David Mayfield. bit.ly/4iwypCoBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We took off our armor for this incredible episode! The main discussion might have been one of our most important (and fun) ever: the Big Alta 50k DNF, failure, and what it truly means to go for it. David raced Big Alta because it was somewhere that he couldn't hide. We needed to gather data about what happened at the very edge of human capabilities…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Chapters: 0:00 Intro 0:22 Morg Updates 3:32 What is Morgan's chess rating? 5:53 What do you think of the high school scene? + College recruiting 11:52 Relationship troubles... 14:17 Bad training partners + feet pics 19:40 Morgan & Sinta's Love Story 20:49 Track …
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For this training recap, I unpack a four week block of training where my main focus was a continuation of speed work development with a bit more variety of inputs this time around. Hybrid workouts, fast finishes, and hills all included. I highlight the thought process behind the programming, execution, and add some tips to consider in training as I…
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We celebrated the 250th recording for this great episode! The main topic was a new study on fatigue resistance. How do you actually improve performance after multiple hours of work? It’s the greatest mystery of endurance, and whoever solves it will have a big advantage. We think that we have some answers for training, fueling, and the nervous syste…
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This episode was recorded on December 1st, 2024 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes Stephen Kellogg, Jill Sobule, Mindy Smith, Caleb Caudle & The Sweet Critters, and The David Mayfield Parade, with guest host Conor Knighton. http://bit.ly/3FLIixDBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We welcome back one of our favorite guests and teammates, the Spanish Rocket, Mario García Romo!! We discuss his return to racing after injury and his goals for the upcoming season, including a focus on strength training and more frequent races. We also delve into the exciting European Indoor Championships, highlighting Jakob Ingebrigtsen's dominan…
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We lifted some styrofoam plates painted like metal before this great episode! The main topic was a new study showing improved fatigue resistance for athletes doing heavy lifting twice per week. Yes... we regret to inform you that we think you should probably have a squat rack nearby. Prepare your butts. We also answered a question on carb intake af…
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In today's sit down with the great Maia Ramsden, we recap her experience at the recent BU meet and her national record. We also get into her full life story.. where exactly is Maia from? How did she end up at Harvard? When did she know she was going to become a pro? Why OAC? We also get into her first Olympic experience and fellow Kiwi George issue…
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Matt Johnson got into running in 2020 after discovering a love for the sport following a difficult youth, and a career in the National Guard. Since, he has built a successful Instagram channel that blends competitiveness and humor. He took his love of running across the State of Texas, an 841 mile journey in 17 days, raising awareness for ValorFit.…
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We brought some very sore legs into this great episode! The main topic was a new study on "Zone 2 Training," which gathered a panel of experts to review what Zone 2 means and why it matters. Our theory is that Zone 2 training is interacting with high-carb fueling to drive some of the performance revolution! We also talked about a new study on heat …
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For this episode, Brady and I dive into a group of running shoes that we have been putting through the paces the last couple of months, as well as touched on some models that we have worn historically. We also share some thoughts around running shoe considerations in general. Shoes covered include: Mizuno Neo Zen and Wave Rebellion Pro 3, Puma Devi…
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Heyo! We're back in the studio and it's race week! The boys do a big recap of US Indoor Champs and preview the upcoming meet at BU this weekend. They also chat a bit about US Half Marathon Championships in Atlanta, the end of their training camp, and talk about Olli's secret strategy to beat Yared in the mile. If you enjoyed this episode, please le…
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How should you go about managing and preventing blisters, and what workout is going to be best for you. This listener Q&A dives into these two topics. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb Endurance Approach Series LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/HPO (free sample pack with purchase) deltaG: deltagketones.com Code: BITTER20 Maui Nui Venison: maui…
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We put on some supershoes for an extra boost for this great episode! A main topic was a question we get a lot: whether high-carb fueling during training is healthy in a broader sense. We not only think it's healthy, we think that the question is best asked another way: how much healthier is fueling your training than the alternative of underfueling…
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For this training recap, I unpack a four week block of training where my main focus was short intervals and long runs. I highlight the thought process behind the programming, execution, and add some tips to consider in training. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb Endurance Approach Series LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/HPO (free sample pack …
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What's up from Scottsdale, Arizona! The boys get into life and sport updates from training camp, including Olli's experience with Double Threshold, George's visit with Mike Smith and his cult up in Flagstaff, and Morgan's current injury situation. Afterwards they go over one of the biggest weeks ever for the sport, covering Jakob Ingebrigsten's ind…
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Ryan Dreyer founded Tribal Training, a group based endurance training coaching service where members leverage a community approach to reach their goals. Ryan has completed both Ironman and ultramarathon distance events and coached many others reach their goals. Endurance Training Simplified Series Zach’s Low Carb Endurance Approach Series LMNT: dri…
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