Too often business leaders are forced to choose between the needs of their company and the needs of their employees. It’s a lose/lose scenario leaving managers burned out and workers seeking other opportunities. At Work for Humans, we believe work can be designed differently. When you design work like products people love, your company wins. Work becomes irresistible, employees passionately buy into their roles every day, and your company takes measurable strides towards your vision.
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We break down the now and next of work. You stay ahead. Its not just you - work is bonkers. Burnout is high, trust is low, and everything is changing at breakneck speed. Friend-to-friend? We get it. We're in it. And we're here to guide you through it. We’re two leadership insiders—and real-life friends—who’ve led teams, sat in the tough seats, and know first hand how fast, complex, and personal work has become. Every week, we break down what’s happening at work and to work, taking you behind ...
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New Week, New Headlines: Open Enrollment Alert: 2026 Health Costs Surge, 4-in-5 Workers ‘Career Catfished,’ and AI Actress Tilly Norwood Sparks a New Labor Fight
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24:28Send us a text This week on Your Work Friends, we break down three headlines every professional should know: Career Catfishing: Monster’s 2025 report found 4 in 5 U.S. employees say they were misled about their job. We unpack what’s driving the trust crisis between workers and employers—and what good hiring should look like now. Open Enrollment 202…
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AI as Dramaturg: What It Means to Create Art with a Machine | Matthew Gasda and Isobel McCrum
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Stories Over Surveys: Unlocking Human Truths About Work and Life | James Warren
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1:11:43Surveys and numbers can capture averages, but they can’t reveal the raw humanity of lived experience. Stories can. Stories connect us, capture nuance and emotion, and uncover the “why” behind our choices in ways numbers never will. In this episode, Dart and James Warren talk about why stories reveal truths surveys miss, how personal narratives can …
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The Doors You Can Open: Unlocking Opportunity Through Sponsorship at Work w/ Rosalind Chow
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33:32Send us a text Ever felt like your hard work wasn’t enough? That’s because the biggest career breaks don’t always come from effort alone—they come from the people who open doors for you. In this episode of Your Work Friends, we sit down with, Carnegie Mellon Professor, organizational psychologist and author Rosalind Chow to unpack the power of spon…
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Architects of Transformation: Unlocking the Real Value of People | Michael Smith
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1:12:35Leaders today are under pressure from every direction: an unpredictable economy, the rise of AI, and the constant demand for transformation while keeping the business running. Few people see those challenges more clearly than Michael Smith. He argues that leaders make the greatest impact when they act as architects of transformation rather than pla…
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New Week, New Headlines: 42,000 Manufacturing Jobs Lost. 72-Hour Work Weeks Exploding. Immigration Raids Threatening America’s Skill Base
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20:01Send us a text New Week, New Headlines: your fast-track through the now + next of work. This week we’re covering three stories shaping how you work, earn, and lead: 42,000 US manufacturing jobs lost. Since April, durable goods have shed tens of thousands of jobs—what tariffs, automation, and uncertainty really mean for the economy. 72-hour work wee…
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Leadership Beyond the Individual: Relation in the Space Between Us | Jim Ferrell
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1:00:59One line in Martin Buber’s I and Thou stopped Jim Ferrell in his tracks. It made him realize that leadership isn’t inside the individual — it lives in the space between us. That insight became his new book, You and We: A Relational Rethinking of Work, Life, and Leadership. In it, Jim argues that progress doesn’t come from sameness, but from uniting…
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New Week, New Headlines: Dying at Work, The Job Market Flatlines, Hugging Your Job & Google’s 20,000 Apprenticeships
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22:00Send us a text New Week, New Headlines: Burnout turns deadly at Microsoft, the U.S. job market flatlines, “job huggers” cling to stability, and Salesforce cuts while Google opens 20,000 apprenticeships. What it all means for how you work, earn, and lead. This week we’re covering four stories shaping how you work, earn, and lead: Dying at Work. A Mi…
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Skills at Scale: Building Organizations That Truly Learn | Sandra Loughlin
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1:08:04For years, Dart doubted that companies could actually make skills the building blocks of work. They felt too abstract, too static, too disconnected from real daily work. But Sandra Loughlin proved that in some cases, skills can deliver real value. In this episode, Sandra explains why skills only matter in context, why stretch assignments drive real…
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What the History of Germ Theory Teaches Us About Paradigm Shifts at Work | Dr. Robert Gaynes
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1:29:36The germ theory of disease is one of the greatest breakthroughs in human history. But it took more than 2,000 years of false starts and resistance before medicine finally recognized that germs cause disease. In his book Germ Theory, Dr. Robert Gaynes unpacks why this shift was so hard to achieve. In this episode, he and Dart explore what it teaches…
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New Week, New Headlines: Your Rights at Work Just Changed, Women Shut Out of IPOs, Canva’s Millionaires & OpenAI’s Miss
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18:40Send us a text New Week, New Headlines: your fast-track through the now + next of work. This week we’re covering four stories shaping how you work, earn, and lead: Your rights at work just changed. From overtime pay to union protections, the federal floor is gone—and what that means depends on where you live and who you work for. Women are missing …
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Human-Centered AI: Designing Ethical Systems for Trust and Human Agency | Emily Yang
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58:55Emily Yang’s work sits at the intersection of AI ethics, governance, and human experience. She is an early advocate for bringing human-centered design and responsible innovation into the heart of enterprise AI, especially in HR and talent functions. For her, ethics is an activity — something we do, not just something we believe. In this episode, Da…
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Hope Before Purpose: Creating a Work Culture Everyone Wants | Jennifer Moss
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1:08:22When we think about fixing burnout, most conversations start with purpose, work design, or leadership. But according to Jennifer Moss, the real starting point is hope. And not vague optimism, but cognitive hope—a measurable skill that gives people the power to set goals, find ways to reach them, and keep moving forward, even in uncertain times. In …
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The Future of HR: Developing the Next Generation of HR Leaders w/ JP Elliott
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37:31Send us a text The future of HR isn’t just about people, it’s about how business, technology, and strategy come together. In this episode of Your Work Friends, we sit down with JP Elliott, host of The Future of HR Podcast and creator of the Next Gen HR Accelerator, to talk about how HR is evolving inside the world’s biggest companies. JP has partne…
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Leading Through the Age of Outrage w/ Karthik Ramanna
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44:06Send us a text Oxford professor Karthik Ramanna joins us to unpack how to lead with humility and temperance in the age of outrage—so you can build trust, lower the temperature, and keep your team thriving in polarized times. Outrage is everywhere—at work, online, even in our group chats. So how do you lead when everyone’s on edge? In this episode, …
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The Magic of Code: Wonder, the Experience, and Future of Programming | Sam Arbesman
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1:10:02Sam Arbesman writes deep, beautiful books about the boundary between technology, knowledge, and wonder. His most recent book, The Magic of Code, is another profound exploration—this time into the wonders revealed by code. Sam describes code as “a universal force—swirling through disciplines, absorbing ideas, and connecting worlds.” In this episode,…
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Work Should Be Fun, Not Just Productive | Bree Groff
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1:07:19Bree Groff’s new book, Today Was Fun, pushes the reset button on expectations about work. There is no reason work can’t be fun. About half of the things that make it un-fun are self-inflicted—we can just stop doing them. Take off the serious-people costume. Stop all performative work. Take a nap that is for you, not just to recharge for more work. …
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New Week, New Headlines: The Job Market Is Shrinking, Will the Modern Worker Act Kill Full-Time Work, and Is Religion at Work Getting a Green Light?
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21:47Send us a text This week, we’re breaking down three headlines that could reshape the American workplace: 📉 The job market cool-down continues, with new JOLTS data showing longer unemployment durations and more people dropping out of the job hunt altogether. ⚖️ The Modern Worker Employment Act could redefine what it means to be an “employee”—and put…
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The System Is the Problem: Rethinking Business at the Systems Level | Sandra Waddock
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1:03:18Sandra Waddock has spent decades exploring the systems beneath the systems, asking questions about purpose, story, and the deeper operating logic of business. Sandra argues that the current model focused on growth, control, and short-term profit is no longer serving people or the planet. Instead of fixing surface-level symptoms, she invites us to r…
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Never Not Working: The Hidden Cost of Always Being On w/ Malissa Clark
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48:34Send us a text Is your brain still working even when you're not? You're not alone—and it's probably costing you more than you think. In this episode of Your Work Friends, we sit down with Dr. Malissa Clark—organizational psychologist and author of Never Not Working—to unpack how hustle culture, job insecurity, and digital overload are making it har…
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Customer Centricity: Designing Your Business Around Your Best Customers | Peter Fader
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1:16:19As one of the world’s leading experts on customer centricity, Peter Fader noticed that many businesses were making a critical mistake: they were treating all customers the same. Peter argues that customer centricity means focusing on the customers who matter most—those who are truly driving value for your company. His work is reshaping how business…
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Why Work Should Be a Product—Not a Job w/ Dart Lindsley
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47:11Send us a text What if we stopped designing jobs like checklists—and started designing them like products employees want to buy? In this episode of Your Work Friends, we talk with Dart Lindsley, CEO and co-founder of 11 Fold, the creator of Multi-Sided Management and he's the host of the Work for Humans podcast, Dart breaks down why it’s time to st…
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Time Poverty at Work: What It Costs and How to Reclaim Your Time | Ashley Whillans
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1:13:41Ashley Whillans has spent years studying how time, money, and workplace culture shape our well-being. As a behavioral scientist at Harvard Business School, she’s found that time poverty is more than a personal stressor—it’s a leadership challenge, an organizational blind spot, and one of the biggest barriers to well-being at work. In this episode, …
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Transform Your Team: Redesigning Work for Clarity and Value | Stephanie Reuss & Victoria Stuart
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1:06:20Stephanie Reuss and Victoria Stuart noticed that companies were making big decisions about jobs, teams, and strategy without really knowing what people were doing. So they built Beamible, a platform that maps work at the task level. It helps organizations see what is working, what is slowing people down, and what actually creates value for the busi…
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The Map to Fearless Growth: Moving Beyond Fear at Work and in Life | Amon Woulfe
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1:06:02Most of us don’t realize how much fear shapes how we live and show up at work. But Amon Woulfe sees it clearly. As the founder of 432Hz, he has spent over a decade helping leaders understand the deeper fears that silently drive behavior, limit growth, and erode connection. In this episode, Dart and Amon explore how fear shapes leadership, why chang…
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New Week, New Headlines: 20+ AI Jobs You Didn’t See Coming & Why Companies Are Ditching HR
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16:22Send us a text This week on Your Work Friends, we’re diving into two hot topics shaking up the future of work. 1️⃣ The surprising new jobs AI is creating and why your taste and creativity might be the most valuable skills you bring to the table. First, we explore 22 new jobs AI is expected to create — and why your taste (yes, your vibe, your style,…
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Is Work Worth It? A Philosopher on Why We Work | Michael Cholbi
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1:05:12Michael Cholbi approaches work not just as a function of economics or management but as a deep philosophical question. He brings a rare lens to the topic, one that connects ancient wisdom, contemporary ethics, and the day-to-day experience of workers today. In this episode, Michael and Dart explore how work shapes us and how it might be reimagined …
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More Human: How the Power of AI Can Transform the Way You Lead with Jacqueline Carter
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48:29Send us a text AI isn't replacing leaders. But it is revealing what kind of leader you really are. In this powerful conversation, we sit down with Jacqueline Carter—author, of "More Human" researcher, and senior partner at Potential Project—to unpack what it actually means to be a more human leader in the age of AI. We dive into: ✅ The 3 skills eve…
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Metacognition: The New Essential Skill for an AI World | Anthea Roberts
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1:09:31Anthea Roberts began her career in international law. But after years of studying global conflict and power, she realized the real problem wasn’t policy—it was perspective. People weren’t just disagreeing on solutions; they weren’t even seeing the same problems. This realization led Anthea to develop "Dragonfly Thinking," a framework designed to he…
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The Work of Your Life: The Culture Strategy that Transformed DocuSign w/Joan Burke
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41:18Send us a text The truth about creating workplace culture that actually drives results (not just good vibes) We sat down with Joan Burke, legendary CHRO and board member and founder of the CPO Forum, who built the iconic "work of your life" culture at DocuSign, Marketo, and Responsys. This conversation reveals exactly how to create cultures where p…
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How to Design the Future On Purpose | Lisa Kay Solomon
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1:01:14Lisa Kay Solomon sees design everywhere—not just in products, but in conversations, strategies, systems, and futures. As a futurist and strategist, she has spent her career helping leaders and organizations think long-term, navigate uncertainty, and drive meaningful change through intentional design. In this episode, Lisa and Dart talk about how to…
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Employment is Dead w/Deborah Perry Piscione and Josh Drean
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45:00Send us a text The uncomfortable truth about your job security that no one's talking about : Employment is dead. We sat down with Deborah Perry Piscione, Josh Drean, authors of "Employment is Dead:How Disruptive Technologies Are Revolutionizing the Way We Work," and founders of the Work 3 Institute. This conversation kinda blew our minds. They brea…
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Inside Nubank’s Bold Experiment: HR as a Product | Suzana Kubric & Jessica Matsumoto
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1:07:36Nubank is the largest digital bank outside of Asia and one of the fastest-growing companies globally, recently surpassing 119 million customers across Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia. Much of that growth has been fueled by an obsessive focus on customer experience. Now, Suzana Kubric and Jessica Matsumoto are bringing that same mindset to employees. I…
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The Power of Mattering: What Happens When People Feel Truly Seen w/ Zach Mercurio
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51:43Send us a text Well friends, we're getting deep today - and we mean DEEP. Ever feel like you're just going through the motions at work? Like you could disappear tomorrow and nobody would really notice? Yeah, we've all been there. This episode might just change how you show up everywhere. We sat down with Zach Mercurio, researcher and author of "The…
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How Platforms Are Rewriting the Rules of Work | Andrei Hagiu
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59:56If work is a product, and employees are customers of that product, then every company is a multi-sided business, one that must serve both consumers and workers. According to platform economist Andrei Hagiu, how companies design that experience, how they structure control, pricing, and participation, matters more than we realize. He has spent his ca…
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Built on Audacity: How to Be Bold at Work and Take Worth-It Risks | Anne Marie Anderson
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1:00:45At its best, work is co-created. It’s not something companies hand out—it’s something employees help build by showing up fully and taking risks. But that kind of courage requires something we don’t talk about enough: audacity. Anne Marie Anderson has built her career on it. She’s worked in 20 countries, broken ground as one of ESPN’s first female s…
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Breaking In: Strategic Moves for Women to Overcome Career Barriers at All Stages w/ McKinsey's Lareina Yee
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46:38Send us a text In this episode, we hang out with Lareina Yee, senior partner at McKinsey and absolute powerhouse who's helping crack the code on women's career advancement. As co-founder of the Women in the Workplace Study and co-author of "The Broken Rung," Lareina breaks down the shocking truth about the earliest career barrier holding women back…
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The Surprising Power of Humility at Work | Simon Moss
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1:06:43When we talk about what makes a great leader, we tend to focus on confidence, decisiveness, and maybe even charisma. Less often do we talk about humility. And yet, humility, according to psychologist Dr. Simon Moss, may be the trait that unlocks the most growth, resilience, collaboration, and trust. In this episode, Dart and Simon talk about why hu…
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New Week, New Headlines: 110-Hour Work Week Growing & 99.9% at Risk. Tariffs Killing Small Business Jobs
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18:53Send us a text We're breaking down two massive workplace crises the US can't ignore. We dive deep into the Wall Street Journal's shocking exposé on 110-hour workweeks pushing bankers to hospitalization and burnout, while examining the devastating impact of tariffs that threaten the very existence of America's small business backbone. Listen for: Th…
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Managerial Sabotage: Why 82% of Leaders Are Set Up to Fail w/David Rice
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38:01Send us a text In this episode, we hang out with David Rice, Executive Editor at People Managing People, and we're getting real about what it feels like to be a manager. Now. We got REAL about why managers are in total crisis mode these days. David doesn't hold back on why management has become basically "an experience akin to being sabotaged" (his…
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Listening Beyond Words: How to Really Hear People at Work | Oscar Trimboli
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1:05:13Oscar Trimboli has spent his life helping people hear what’s not being said. As a listening expert and advisor to some of the world’s largest companies, he’s discovered a surprising truth: most of us only catch a fraction of what’s being communicated. We hear the words, but miss the silences, emotion, and meaning beneath them. In this episode, Dart…
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Open Talent: Why Your Career Should Be a Portfolio, Not a Ladder with John Winsor
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41:43Send us a text In this episode, we sit down with John Winsor, Executive Fellow at Harvard Business School’s Digital, Design, and Data (D³) Institute, Open Assembly Founder and Author of many books including Open Talent: Leveraging a Global Workforce to Solve Your Biggest Challenges, We dug into how the open talent revolution is transforming how we …
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How Employee Ownership Could Save America’s Democracy | Joseph Blasi
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1:09:48What do the drafters of the U.S. Constitution, 19th-century industrialists, and a modern defense contractor have in common? According to economic sociologist Joseph Blasi, they all believed in one powerful idea: that democracy itself depends on ownership, and that ownership should be broadly shared. He argues that if we want work to truly work for …
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The Anatomy of Genres: How Story Forms Explain the Way the World Works | John Truby Replay
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1:07:29From an early age, John Truby knew that stories are not just something that happens on a page. Story is all around us. It structures how we interpret events, and even how we decide how to live. For John, story forms explain the way the world works. John is a screenwriter and the founder and director of Truby’s Writers Studio in Los Angeles, where h…
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How to Build an Economy That Works for Everyone | Nick Romeo
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1:06:50As a journalist, Nick Romeo has interviewed people doing remarkable things, from running worker-owned companies to redesigning gig work as public infrastructure. These experiences shaped his new book, The Alternative: How to Build a Just Economy, and led him to one big insight: a better economy isn’t just possible—it’s already here. In this episode…
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The Ego Equation: How CEO Dan Springer Balances Leadership Success
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56:01Send us a text What makes great leaders different—and how do you measure it? In this episode, we sit down with former DocuSign CEO Dan Springer to unpack the Ego Equation: (Skills ÷ Ego) ^ Work = Success. Dan shares leadership lessons from decades in tech, including how ego almost derailed his career and what changed after a layoff turned into a le…
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New Week, New Headlines: $766B Incivility Crisis, Women CEOs Outperform During Turmoil, as 1 in 4 Job Applicants Could Soon Be Fake
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27:15Send us a text Well, the work news just doesn't stop friends. Here's what's brewing. Incivility is costing companies billions, tariffs are threatening half a million jobs, and that perfect candidate you just interviewed? They might be an AI deep fake! In this episode, workplace experts (us, Francesca & Mel - hello!) break down: ⏰ 2:15 Workplace Inc…
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The Progressive Work Ethic: What We Lost and How to Win It Back | Elizabeth Anderson
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1:17:43For centuries, the work ethic was used to justify inequality, but it also fueled a powerful movement for justice. In the final part of this series, Elizabeth Anderson and Dart Lindsley explore the progressive work ethic, a vision of labor rooted in dignity, equality, and shared prosperity. They trace how thinkers like Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, …
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Work Ethic's Dark Turn: The War on the Poor | Elizabeth Anderson
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53:10The work ethic began as a religious principle before evolving into an economic theory. But by the 18th and 19th centuries, it had taken on a new role: a justification for social inequality. Thinkers like Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill saw work as a path to dignity and opportunity, while economists like Thomas Malthus and Nassau Senior argued that …
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The Courage Gap: How Women Can Stop Proving and Start Owning Their Value w/ Dr. Margie Warrell
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41:16Send us a text In this episode we're talking with Dr. Margie Warrell who shares game-changing strategies for women navigating corporate America's evolving landscape. As DEI initiatives face unprecedented scrutiny, Warrell reveals how women can cultivate unshakable confidence without constantly proving their worth. Discover actionable insights on: B…
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