Best Dart Lindsley Podcasts (2025)

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Why Work Should Be a Product—Not a Job w/ Dart Lindsley 47:11

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Send us a text What if we stopped designing jobs like checklists—and started designing them like products employees want to buy? In this episode of Your Work Friends, we talk with Dart Lindsley, CEO and co-founder of 11 Fold, the creator of Multi-Sided Management and he's the host of the Work for Humans podcast, Dart breaks down why it’s time to st…

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The System Is the Problem: Rethinking Business at the Systems Level | Sandra Waddock 1:03:18

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Sandra Waddock has spent decades exploring the systems beneath the systems, asking questions about purpose, story, and the deeper operating logic of business. Sandra argues that the current model focused on growth, control, and short-term profit is no longer serving people or the planet. Instead of fixing surface-level symptoms, she invites us to r…

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Never Not Working: The Hidden Cost of Always Being On w/ Malissa Clark 48:34

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Send us a text Is your brain still working even when you're not? You're not alone—and it's probably costing you more than you think. In this episode of Your Work Friends, we sit down with Dr. Malissa Clark—organizational psychologist and author of Never Not Working—to unpack how hustle culture, job insecurity, and digital overload are making it har…

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Customer Centricity: Designing Your Business Around Your Best Customers | Peter Fader 1:16:19

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As one of the world’s leading experts on customer centricity, Peter Fader noticed that many businesses were making a critical mistake: they were treating all customers the same. Peter argues that customer centricity means focusing on the customers who matter most—those who are truly driving value for your company. His work is reshaping how business…

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Time Poverty at Work: What It Costs and How to Reclaim Your Time | Ashley Whillans 1:13:41

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Ashley Whillans has spent years studying how time, money, and workplace culture shape our well-being. As a behavioral scientist at Harvard Business School, she’s found that time poverty is more than a personal stressor—it’s a leadership challenge, an organizational blind spot, and one of the biggest barriers to well-being at work. In this episode, …

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Transform Your Team: Redesigning Work for Clarity and Value | Stephanie Reuss & Victoria Stuart 1:06:20

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Stephanie Reuss and Victoria Stuart noticed that companies were making big decisions about jobs, teams, and strategy without really knowing what people were doing. So they built Beamible, a platform that maps work at the task level. It helps organizations see what is working, what is slowing people down, and what actually creates value for the busi…

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#033 Business Healing: From Burnout to Prosperity with Marte Siebenhar 1:06:36

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Have you ever felt stuck, blocked, or that something you can’t quite put your finger on is preventing you from getting the business and personal outcomes that you desire? My returning guest and Business Healer, Marte Siebenhar, struggled with overwork and burnout for years. As she sought and applied a variety of tools to help herself, she developed…

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The Map to Fearless Growth: Moving Beyond Fear at Work and in Life | Amon Woulfe 1:06:02

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Most of us don’t realize how much fear shapes how we live and show up at work. But Amon Woulfe sees it clearly. As the founder of 432Hz, he has spent over a decade helping leaders understand the deeper fears that silently drive behavior, limit growth, and erode connection. In this episode, Dart and Amon explore how fear shapes leadership, why chang…

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New Week, New Headlines: 20+ AI Jobs You Didn’t See Coming & Why Companies Are Ditching HR 16:22

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Send us a text This week on Your Work Friends, we’re diving into two hot topics shaking up the future of work. 1️⃣ The surprising new jobs AI is creating and why your taste and creativity might be the most valuable skills you bring to the table. First, we explore 22 new jobs AI is expected to create — and why your taste (yes, your vibe, your style,…

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Is Work Worth It? A Philosopher on Why We Work | Michael Cholbi 1:05:12

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Michael Cholbi approaches work not just as a function of economics or management but as a deep philosophical question. He brings a rare lens to the topic, one that connects ancient wisdom, contemporary ethics, and the day-to-day experience of workers today. In this episode, Michael and Dart explore how work shapes us and how it might be reimagined …

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More Human: How the Power of AI Can Transform the Way You Lead with Jacqueline Carter 48:29

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Send us a text AI isn't replacing leaders. But it is revealing what kind of leader you really are. In this powerful conversation, we sit down with Jacqueline Carter—author, of "More Human" researcher, and senior partner at Potential Project—to unpack what it actually means to be a more human leader in the age of AI. We dive into: ✅ The 3 skills eve…

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Metacognition: The New Essential Skill for an AI World | Anthea Roberts 1:09:31

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Anthea Roberts began her career in international law. But after years of studying global conflict and power, she realized the real problem wasn’t policy—it was perspective. People weren’t just disagreeing on solutions; they weren’t even seeing the same problems. This realization led Anthea to develop "Dragonfly Thinking," a framework designed to he…

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The Work of Your Life: The Culture Strategy that Transformed DocuSign w/Joan Burke 41:18

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Send us a text The truth about creating workplace culture that actually drives results (not just good vibes) We sat down with Joan Burke, legendary CHRO and board member and founder of the CPO Forum, who built the iconic "work of your life" culture at DocuSign, Marketo, and Responsys. This conversation reveals exactly how to create cultures where p…

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How to Design the Future On Purpose | Lisa Kay Solomon 1:01:14

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Lisa Kay Solomon sees design everywhere—not just in products, but in conversations, strategies, systems, and futures. As a futurist and strategist, she has spent her career helping leaders and organizations think long-term, navigate uncertainty, and drive meaningful change through intentional design. In this episode, Lisa and Dart talk about how to…

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Employment is Dead w/Deborah Perry Piscione and Josh Drean 45:00

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Send us a text The uncomfortable truth about your job security that no one's talking about : Employment is dead. We sat down with Deborah Perry Piscione, Josh Drean, authors of "Employment is Dead:How Disruptive Technologies Are Revolutionizing the Way We Work," and founders of the Work 3 Institute. This conversation kinda blew our minds. They brea…

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Inside Nubank’s Bold Experiment: HR as a Product | Suzana Kubric & Jessica Matsumoto 1:07:36

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Nubank is the largest digital bank outside of Asia and one of the fastest-growing companies globally, recently surpassing 119 million customers across Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia. Much of that growth has been fueled by an obsessive focus on customer experience. Now, Suzana Kubric and Jessica Matsumoto are bringing that same mindset to employees. I…

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#032 Igniting Team Connection & Performance with Christine Comaford 1:24:13

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Do you ever feel like chaos in your organization is getting in the way of teams being more effective at work? My guest and founder of SmartTribes Institute, Christine Comaford, has developed an approach that blends applied neuro-science and ancient wisdom to help leaders and teams cut through chaos and fear to build emotional engagement that increa…

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The Power of Mattering: What Happens When People Feel Truly Seen w/ Zach Mercurio 51:43

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Send us a text Well friends, we're getting deep today - and we mean DEEP. Ever feel like you're just going through the motions at work? Like you could disappear tomorrow and nobody would really notice? Yeah, we've all been there. This episode might just change how you show up everywhere. We sat down with Zach Mercurio, researcher and author of "The…

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How Platforms Are Rewriting the Rules of Work | Andrei Hagiu 59:56

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If work is a product, and employees are customers of that product, then every company is a multi-sided business, one that must serve both consumers and workers. According to platform economist Andrei Hagiu, how companies design that experience, how they structure control, pricing, and participation, matters more than we realize. He has spent his ca…

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Built on Audacity: How to Be Bold at Work and Take Worth-It Risks | Anne Marie Anderson 1:00:45

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At its best, work is co-created. It’s not something companies hand out—it’s something employees help build by showing up fully and taking risks. But that kind of courage requires something we don’t talk about enough: audacity. Anne Marie Anderson has built her career on it. She’s worked in 20 countries, broken ground as one of ESPN’s first female s…

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Breaking In: Strategic Moves for Women to Overcome Career Barriers at All Stages w/ McKinsey's Lareina Yee 46:38

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Send us a text In this episode, we hang out with Lareina Yee, senior partner at McKinsey and absolute powerhouse who's helping crack the code on women's career advancement. As co-founder of the Women in the Workplace Study and co-author of "The Broken Rung," Lareina breaks down the shocking truth about the earliest career barrier holding women back…

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The Surprising Power of Humility at Work | Simon Moss 1:06:43

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When we talk about what makes a great leader, we tend to focus on confidence, decisiveness, and maybe even charisma. Less often do we talk about humility. And yet, humility, according to psychologist Dr. Simon Moss, may be the trait that unlocks the most growth, resilience, collaboration, and trust. In this episode, Dart and Simon talk about why hu…

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New Week, New Headlines: 110-Hour Work Week Growing & 99.9% at Risk. Tariffs Killing Small Business Jobs 18:53

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Send us a text We're breaking down two massive workplace crises the US can't ignore. We dive deep into the Wall Street Journal's shocking exposé on 110-hour workweeks pushing bankers to hospitalization and burnout, while examining the devastating impact of tariffs that threaten the very existence of America's small business backbone. Listen for: Th…

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Managerial Sabotage: Why 82% of Leaders Are Set Up to Fail w/David Rice 38:01

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Send us a text In this episode, we hang out with David Rice, Executive Editor at People Managing People, and we're getting real about what it feels like to be a manager. Now. We got REAL about why managers are in total crisis mode these days. David doesn't hold back on why management has become basically "an experience akin to being sabotaged" (his…

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Listening Beyond Words: How to Really Hear People at Work | Oscar Trimboli 1:05:13

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Oscar Trimboli has spent his life helping people hear what’s not being said. As a listening expert and advisor to some of the world’s largest companies, he’s discovered a surprising truth: most of us only catch a fraction of what’s being communicated. We hear the words, but miss the silences, emotion, and meaning beneath them. In this episode, Dart…

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#031 Unlocking Communication through Unconditional Welcome with Karen Faith 40:38

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Most of us want to be more influential, creative, and able to build key relationships in and out of work. But this isn't always easy to accomplish, and sometimes it seems it’s because someone is standing in our way. But that someone, more often than not, might just be ourselves. For this minisode I’m bringing back business ethnographer and empathy …

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Open Talent: Why Your Career Should Be a Portfolio, Not a Ladder with John Winsor 41:43

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Send us a text In this episode, we sit down with John Winsor, Executive Fellow at Harvard Business School’s Digital, Design, and Data (D³) Institute, Open Assembly Founder and Author of many books including Open Talent: Leveraging a Global Workforce to Solve Your Biggest Challenges, We dug into how the open talent revolution is transforming how we …

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How Employee Ownership Could Save America’s Democracy | Joseph Blasi 1:09:48

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What do the drafters of the U.S. Constitution, 19th-century industrialists, and a modern defense contractor have in common? According to economic sociologist Joseph Blasi, they all believed in one powerful idea: that democracy itself depends on ownership, and that ownership should be broadly shared. He argues that if we want work to truly work for …

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The Anatomy of Genres: How Story Forms Explain the Way the World Works | John Truby Replay 1:07:29

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From an early age, John Truby knew that stories are not just something that happens on a page. Story is all around us. It structures how we interpret events, and even how we decide how to live. For John, story forms explain the way the world works. John is a screenwriter and the founder and director of Truby’s Writers Studio in Los Angeles, where h…

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How to Build an Economy That Works for Everyone | Nick Romeo 1:06:50

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As a journalist, Nick Romeo has interviewed people doing remarkable things, from running worker-owned companies to redesigning gig work as public infrastructure. These experiences shaped his new book, The Alternative: How to Build a Just Economy, and led him to one big insight: a better economy isn’t just possible—it’s already here. In this episode…

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The Ego Equation: How CEO Dan Springer Balances Leadership Success 56:01

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Send us a text What makes great leaders different—and how do you measure it? In this episode, we sit down with former DocuSign CEO Dan Springer to unpack the Ego Equation: (Skills ÷ Ego) ^ Work = Success. Dan shares leadership lessons from decades in tech, including how ego almost derailed his career and what changed after a layoff turned into a le…

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New Week, New Headlines: $766B Incivility Crisis, Women CEOs Outperform During Turmoil, as 1 in 4 Job Applicants Could Soon Be Fake 27:15

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Send us a text Well, the work news just doesn't stop friends. Here's what's brewing. Incivility is costing companies billions, tariffs are threatening half a million jobs, and that perfect candidate you just interviewed? They might be an AI deep fake! In this episode, workplace experts (us, Francesca & Mel - hello!) break down: ⏰ 2:15 Workplace Inc…

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The Progressive Work Ethic: What We Lost and How to Win It Back | Elizabeth Anderson 1:17:43

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For centuries, the work ethic was used to justify inequality, but it also fueled a powerful movement for justice. In the final part of this series, Elizabeth Anderson and Dart Lindsley explore the progressive work ethic, a vision of labor rooted in dignity, equality, and shared prosperity. They trace how thinkers like Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, …

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#030 Rewriting the Story of Business & HR with Dart Lindsley 1:44:20

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What if instead of thinking of you as an employee, your boss and workplace treated you like a valued customer? My guest and HR transformation expert, Dart Lindsley, knows that industrial-age management practices are not working. He champions a new approach to how we design our work in organizations by treating work as a product that every organizat…

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Work Ethic's Dark Turn: The War on the Poor | Elizabeth Anderson 53:10

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The work ethic began as a religious principle before evolving into an economic theory. But by the 18th and 19th centuries, it had taken on a new role: a justification for social inequality. Thinkers like Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill saw work as a path to dignity and opportunity, while economists like Thomas Malthus and Nassau Senior argued that …

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The Courage Gap: How Women Can Stop Proving and Start Owning Their Value w/ Dr. Margie Warrell 41:16

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Send us a text In this episode we're talking with Dr. Margie Warrell who shares game-changing strategies for women navigating corporate America's evolving landscape. As DEI initiatives face unprecedented scrutiny, Warrell reveals how women can cultivate unshakable confidence without constantly proving their worth. Discover actionable insights on: B…

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How Work Became a Moral Duty: The Origins of the Modern Work Ethic | Elizabeth Anderson 57:27

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Elizabeth Anderson is one of today’s leading political philosophers and has spent years studying how the work ethic shapes our economy, society, and politics. In her latest book, Hijacked, she explores how hard work, a principle originally intended to advance the virtue of helping others, has been used by parts of society in ways that harm workers.…

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New Week, New Headlines: AI Agents Rising, Employee Engagement Plummeting, and Harvard's 200K Promise 21:29

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Send us a text Well, AI isn't just making waves—it's creating tsunamis! AI agents are here, and they're nothing like the ChatGPT you've been using. Meanwhile, employee engagement has hit rock bottom, and Harvard is making a $200K promise that could change higher education forever. In this episode, workplace experts (us, Mel & Francesca) break down:…

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Designing Work Like a Subscription Product: How to Retain Top Talent | Luke O’Mahoney 1:14:01

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Luke O’Mahoney is one of the leaders of the movement to reframe work as a product that every company sells to employees. In particular, Luke has gone deep into the implications of recognizing work as a subscription product, and brings an absolute wealth of ideas to bear on how to create the kind of work experience product that employees want to buy…

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New Week, New Headlines: The Great CEO Exodus: Why Young Workers Feel Unprepared & What's Next for the Job Market 31:40

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Send us a text Well, daylight savings time isn't the only thing that doesn't have us sleeping. Kidding! Record-breaking CEO departures are sending shockwaves through the business world. Meanwhile, half of young professionals feel unprepared for their careers. What's really happening in today's workplace? In this episode, workplace experts (us, Mel …

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Who Owns the Experience of Work? Managers as Product Managers | Alex Komoroske 57:07

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This is the third in a series of episodes with world-leading product management experts about how we might build product management best practices into team leadership. Alex Komoroske spent years as either a Product Manager or Director of Product Management for platforms that most of us use every day: Chrome, Google Maps, Google Earth, and others. …

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#029 Making Learning Stick in Organizations with Mark Boccia 1:29:09

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Most of us have sat through a mandatory class, training, or presentation at work that was pretty terrible. Worse yet, we probably felt like a hostage waiting to escape. Going through this type of experience hinders our individual ability to learn and causes teams to struggle to adopt new skills and ways of working. Fortunately, my guest and global …

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Belonging & Unhiding at Work w/ Dr. Beth Kaplan and Ruth Rathblott 1:04:10

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Send us a text Most of Us Are Hiding Something at Work—And It's Exhausting In today's workplace, most of us are hiding something—whether it's aspects of our identity, personal struggles, or even our true ambitions. But at what cost? In this live episode, we dive deep into belonging, unhiding, and workplace authenticity with Ruth Rathblott, TEDx spe…

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Beyond Accommodations: How Personalization at Work Benefits Everyone | Charlotte Dales 53:49

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Most employees need some form of support to thrive at work, whether it’s flexible hours to care for a loved one, mental health resources, or a quieter space to focus. But asking for help can feel risky. That silence holds people back and costs companies more than they realize. Charlotte Dales is trying to fix that. As the co-founder and CEO of Incl…

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The California Experiment: Can Government Use Community Service to Fix Work and Heal Society? | Josh Fryday 55:06

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When Josh Fryday’s wife was evacuated from Japan after the 2011 Japan disaster, he stayed behind. As a Navy officer, he joined Operation Tomodachi, one of the largest humanitarian relief efforts in history. Working alongside people who thought differently, he learned that service brings people together around a common mission to accomplish amazing …

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Why Are We Here? Rethinking Work and Workplace Culture with Jennifer Moss 1:00:49

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Send us a text Burnout is at an all-time high. Engagement is at an all-time low. And work? Well, it’s not working for a lot of us. In this episode, we sit down with Jennifer Moss, workplace culture expert and author of Why Are We Here?, to talk about why so many of us feel unfulfilled at work—and what leaders actually need to do to fix it. We bust …

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Your Company's Superpower: How Dyslexic Thinkers Are Shaping the Future | Kate Griggs 1:01:33

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At eight years old, Kate Griggs sat in a parent-teacher meeting and heard the words, “She’s not very bright.” The school had already written her off. But she wasn’t struggling because she lacked intelligence. She was struggling because the system wasn’t designed for the way she thinks. Today, she’s proving that dyslexia isn’t a disadvantage, but a …

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New Week, New Headlines: Move Over, Bros: How Women Actually Control the Global Economy & The Missed DEI Opp 27:25

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Send us a text Think the economy is run by tech bros and Wall Street suits? Think again. Women now control 85% of consumer spending and 60% of America's personal wealth, making them the most powerful economic force in the market. In this eye-opening episode, we dive into Bank of America's latest report on the "She Economy" and explore how women are…

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Retirement at Risk: Is Work Is Failing the Next Generation of Retirees? | Matthew Rutledge 1:10:33

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With a career in a stable industry and a solid plan for retirement, Matthew Rutledge’s father expected to retire on his own terms. But when he was suddenly laid off at 59, the financial impact was crushing. Watching his father struggle to bounce back at that stage of life made Matt realize how fragile retirement security really is, even for those w…

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#028 Choreographing Work: Lessons from Dance with Renatus Hoogenraad 1:34:44

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Ever heard the idiom “It takes two to tango”? For service design facilitator and executive coach, Renatus Hoogenraad, the spirit behind this idiom has a more literal meaning. As a former professional ballet dancer and someone trained in applied improvisation, Renatus pays special attention to how we show up and use our bodies at work. He thinks of …