The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand mome ...
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Interviews with theatre's biggest stars! West End Frame Editor, Andrew Tomlins, sits down with West End performers and creatives for candid, in-depth discussions about their careers and latest projects. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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S10 Ep49: David Hunter, Matt Flamhaff in 13 Going On 30
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58:12David Hunter is In The Frame! David is starring as Matt Flamhaff in the premiere of 13 Going on 30 The Musical. The show is about to kick off its run at the Manchester Opera House, reuniting David with Lucie Jones who he starred alongside in the West End production of Waitress. 13 Going on 30 is based on the 2004 movie starring Jennifer Garner and …
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S10 Ep48: Solomon Davy, star of The Code, Grease & Hairspray
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35:58Solomon Davy is playing Chad Manford in the UK premiere of The Code by Michael McKeever. The play is running at Southwark Playhouse Elephant, with Solomon starring alongside Tracie Bennett and John Partridge. The Code unfolds over a fictional yet hauntingly plausible cocktail hour that quickly spirals into a tense psychological battleground — where…
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Episode 208: The Power of Grit: Blue-Collar Heroes Among Us
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17:17In this Labor Day episode, Bob ’n Joyce shine a spotlight on the blue-collar heroes who keep our communities and organizations running. These men and women bring grit, skill, and pride to their work—whether they’re building, fixing, driving, or keeping the lights on. Too often their contributions are overlooked, yet without them the systems we rely…
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S10 Ep47: Bobbie Little, star of Military Wives, Standing at the Sky’s Edge, Heathers & The Witches
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38:15Bobbie Little is playing Olive/Paula in the premiere of Military Wives The Musical at York Theatre Royal. Written and directed by Debbie Isitt, the musical is based on the 2019 movie and inspired by a true story. Bobbie's theatre credits include: The Witches, Standing at the Sky’s Edge, Heathers, High Fidelity, Mamma Mia, Little Shop of Horrors, Je…
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S10 Ep46: Joanna Woodward, Ulla in The Producers
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42:01Joanna Woodward is reprising her performance as Ulla in The Producers. Following its sold out run at the Menier Chocolate Factory, The Producers has transferred to the West End for a run at the Garrick Theatre. Joanna is starring alongside Andy Nyman and Marc Antolin in Mel Brooks and Thomas Meehan's show. Joanna recently starred as Clare in The Ti…
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Episode 207: Hard Lessons, Simple Rules: What Really Works in OD
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29:50In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce share the hard-earned principles that helped their OD work actually stick. Too often, change efforts fail because the “rules of the road” are ignored. In past conversations, we may have made OD sound smooth and effortless — but the truth is, most of the tough work was anything but easy. From preparing the ground before…
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TINA SPECIAL: Karis Anderson, Kristina Love, Tsemaye Bob-Egbe, Rhianne Louise McCaulsky, Jenny Fitzpatrick & Chanel Haynes
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50:19Ahead of Tina: The Tina Turner Musical closing in the West End, in this episode we revisit the conversations we had with Karis Anderson, Kristina Love, Tsemaye Bob-Egbe, Rhianne Louise McCaulsky, Jenny Fitzpatrick and Chanel Haynes who have all played the title role. Tina received its world premiere in April 2018 in London and subsequently broke al…
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In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the surprising benefits of resistance to change. Too often, resistance is seen as a problem to squash — but that only fuels it further. Instead, what if resistance is a signal worth listening to? When we meet resistance with curiosity and inquiry, it becomes a powerful ally for successful change. Resistance is …
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S10 Ep44: Laura Benanti, Broadway royalty
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37:55Tony winner Laura Benanti is In The Frame! You know Laura for her astounding Broadway career, which includes roles such as Maria in The Sound of Music, Cinderella in Into The Woods, Claudia in Nine, Julia in The Wedding Singer, Louise in Gypsy (which won her the Tony), Candela in Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, Amalia in She Loves Me and…
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Aimée Fisher and George Crawford are In The Frame! Real-life couple Aimée and George are currently performing alongside eachother in the West End production of The Great Gatsby at the London Coliseum. They're both in the ensemble, with Aimée playing Gilda Grey whilst covering Myrtle and George covering both Nick and Gatsby. Aimée's theatre credits …
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Episode 205: Unleashing Energy Part 2: The Hidden Force in Leadership and Culture
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21:00In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in Episode 204, exploring the infectious power of energy. Too often overlooked, energy shapes how we provoke, improve, and influence the people and systems around us. Each of us carries this superpower, capable of sparking positivity—or negativity—based on how we show up. Every system is in …
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S10 Ep42: Madeline Charlemagne, star of Hadestown, Secret Life Of Bees, Carousel & The Harder They Come
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46:03Madeline Charlemagne is In The Frame! Madeline recently had a big career chapter with Hadestown (Lyric Theatre). She was part of the original West End cast as a Fate and understudy for Eurydice. A few months into the run Madeline took over the role of Eurydice full-time. At the end of her contract, she returned to playing a Fate alongside the origi…
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Episode 204: The Power We Don’t See (But Feel Everywhere)
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18:37In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce tap into the invisible but undeniable power of energy. What happens when we look at organizations — and even society — through the lens of energy? We see opportunities that are too often overlooked. Fresh from a week-long immersion in healing energy at the Omega Institute, Joyce shares her big takeaway: blocked energy …
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S10 Ep41: Courtney Stapleton, star of Six, Dear Evan Hansen, Beauty And The Beast & The Mad Ones
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56:44Courtney Stapleton is In The Frame! After training at ArtsEd Courtney made her West End debut in the ensemble of Mamma Mia!, as a cover for Ali. She went on to cover Éponine in Les Misérables and was dance captain for Bat Out of Hell. Courtney joined the original West End cast of Six as the alternate for Seymour and Parr before being cast in the or…
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Episode 203: Exploring Joyce’s Career Path: Twists, Turns, and Boyfriends
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32:16In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce shine the spotlight on Joyce and her winding journey to becoming an OD expert. It’s a story filled with unexpected turns, setbacks, resilience, and an unwavering drive to keep moving forward. From a high schooler more interested in socializing and boys to a leader in workplace culture transformation, Joyce shares how e…
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S10 Ep40: Rebecca Lock, Caz in Here And Now: The Steps Musical
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36:16Rebecca Lock is starring as Caz in Here And Now: The Steps Musical. The show about to kick off a tour, with Rebecca reprising her performance from the show's premiere run last year in Birmingham. Featuring the music of Steps, Here And Now is written by Shaun Kitchener and is produced by Steps and ROYO with Pete Waterman. The show is directed by Rac…
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S10 Ep39: Laura Dawkes, Princess Anna in Disney's Frozen
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41:40Laura Dawkes can currently be seen starring as Princess Anna in Disney’s Frozen on Disney Plus. Upon graduating from Emil Dale, in 2023 Laura made her West End debut as Anna in Frozen at the Theatre Royal Drury Lane and she continued with the show until it closed the following year. During her run, Laura filmed Frozen's live capture which has now b…
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Episode 202: Assessment Grit: Knowing Before Doing
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26:41In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dig into the underrated superpower of knowing before doing. Before charging ahead, what if we paused to truly assess what’s needed? We share a playful, low-tech meeting check-in that opened the door to real talk—and it just might work wonders in your next gathering. From informal gut checks to formal tools that steer h…
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S10 Ep38: Pippa Cleary, composer of My Son’s a Queer, Bake Off, Adrian Mole & Treasure Island
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42:44Pippa Cleary is In The Frame! Pippa is the only British female composer to have had three musicals produced in the West End - My Son’s a Queer (But What Can You Do?), The Great British Bake Off Musical and The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole Aged 13¾. Over her 16 year career, Pippa has worked in theatre, TV, animation, pop and advertising. She wrote th…
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S10 Ep37: Amara Okereke, star of Echo, My Fair Lady, Spring Awakening, Oklahoma! & Les Misérables
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31:27Amara Okereke is In The Frame! Amara is playing She in Echo by Susan Eve Haar at the King's Head Theatre. Following runs in Edinburgh and New York, Echo has opened in London directed by Abigail Zealey Bess. The psychological thriller delves into the ethics of reproductive technology, the performance of intimacy and the terrifying beauty of being ma…
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In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore a simple yet powerful technique called “I want…”—a way to name our desires and aspirations out loud. As we cross the 200-episode milestone, we turn inward to uncover what we truly want from our work, and in doing so, open up new possibilities. This candid conversation gets up close and personal, surprising even…
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S10 Ep36: Roshani Abbey, Jean Leslie & Others in Operation Mincemeat
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52:52Roshani Abbey is starring as Jean Leslie & Others in the West End production of Operation Mincemeat. Operation Mincemeat premiered on the London Fringe at the New Diorama Theatre in 2019. The show quickly gained a devoted following, and played sold out runs at Southwark Playhouse and Riverside Studios. The musical transferred to the West End in 202…
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Episode 200: Episode 200 – Time to Reflect, Celebrate, and Appreciate
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15:43Today marks a major milestone—our 200th episode! For over four years, we’ve shown up every Tuesday morning, come rain or shine. This ritual has been our anchor, carrying us through both the highs and the lows. Lately, we’ve been talking a lot about finding an “island of sanity” in turbulent times. In many ways, this podcast has been ours—a space to…
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S10 Ep35: Taylor Bradshaw, star of Brigadoon, Hamilton & La Cage aux Folles
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33:13Taylor Bradshaw is in the ensemble of the London revival of Brigadoon by Frederick Loewe and Alan Jay Lerner. Directed and choreographed by Drew McOnie, the show opens next month at Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre where Taylor previously performed in La Cage aux Folles. Taylor made his West End debut in Mamma Mia! (Novello Theatre). His other theatr…
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S10 Ep34: Chelsea Halfpenny, star of Maiden Voyage, Waitress & 9to5
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27:57Chelsea Halfpenny is starring as Tracy in the brand new musical Maiden Voyage at Southwark Playhouse Elephant. Written by Mindi Dickstein and Carmel Dean, the show brings to life the true story of the first all-female sailing crew in the Whitbread Round the World Race. Chelsea started out her career in the world of television, playing roles in Casu…
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S10 Ep33: Shanay Holmes, Nancy in Oliver!
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1:09:46Shanay Holmes is starring as Nancy in the West End revival of Oliver!. The new production has been reconceived by Cameron Mackintosh, with direction and choreography by Matthew Bourne and co-direction by Jean-Pierre van der Spuy. Shanay opened with the show last summer at Chichester Festival Theatre before transferring to the Gielgud Theatre in Lon…
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Episode 199: Thriving in Chaos: It's Happening to All of Us
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18:46In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce dive into what it takes for organizations to stay grounded when chaos and uncertainty are no longer the exception—they’re the backdrop. As global and local challenges intensify, leaders face a new mandate: create environments where people can stay resilient, think creatively, and feel safe enough to perform at their be…
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S10 Ep32: Maria Omakinwa, Mrs Neilsen in Girl from the North Country
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33:10Maria Omakinwa is playing Mrs Neilsen in Girl from the North Country. Written and directed by Conor McPherson with music and lyrics by Bob Dylan, the Olivier Award winning show has returned to the Old Vic for another run. Maria is no stranger to Girl from the North Country, having previously performed in the West End production and UK tour. Maria h…
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Episode 198: Michelle Griffin Ph.D.: Building a Business and a Life That Works
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48:00In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Griffin, CEO and founder of Griffin Resources—an entrepreneur who truly has the "right stuff." Whether you're a seasoned business owner or just starting out, Michelle’s story is a masterclass in growing a thriving business without sacrificing your life. Michelle brings a rare blend of strategic insight…
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S10 Ep31: Aaron Lee Lambert, Agustín Magaldi in Evita
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36:44Aaron Lee Lambert is playing Agustín Magaldi in Jamie Lloyd’s West End revival of Evita. Written by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice, Evita is running at the London Palladium starring Rachel Zegler as Eva Peron. Aaron worked with Jamie Lloyd ten years ago when he was in the UK premiere of Urinetown at the Other Palace and Apollo Theatre. He was par…
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S10 Ep30: Ricardo Afonso, Gomez in The Addams Family
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46:13Ricardo Afonso is playing Gomez in The Addams Family. With a book by Marshall Brickman and Rick Elice and music and lyrics by Andrew Lippa, The Addams Family launches a new national tour in July for a limited summer season. Ricardo is starring opposite Alexandra Burke as Morticia in the production which is directed by Matthew White and choreographe…
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Episode 197: 🎙 Resiliency Face-Off, Part 2: Spoiler—Ours Wins
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32:46In this second part of our resiliency deep dive, Bob ‘n Joyce take a close look at MIT Sloan’s latest take on what makes a culture truly resilient. Do we agree with their insights? Mostly. But spoiler alert: we still like our list better. We break down the key conditions MIT Sloan says drive resiliency and stack them up against our lived experience…
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S10 Ep29: Jamaal Fields-Green, Michael Jackson in MJ
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56:57Jamaal Fields-Green is starring as Michael Jackson in the West End production of MJ! Jamaal started out as the MJ and Middle Michael standby on Broadway. He then headed out on the US tour, first as the alternate MJ before taking over the role full-time. During this time Jamaal made a couple of trips to London to play MJ in the West End for some ver…
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S10 Ep28: Ryan Reid, star of Wicked, Dreamgirls, In The Heights, Shrek & Sweet Charity
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57:17Ryan Reid is In The Frame! Most recently Ryan completed a three-year run playing Fiyero in the West End production of Wicked (Apollo Victoria), making history as the first black actor to play the role in the UK. Ryan’s theatre credits also include Blues in the Night (Hackney Empire), cover Donkey in Shrek (UK & Ireland Tour), cover Benny in In The …
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Episode 196: The Resilience Face-Off: Street Smarts Meets Sloan MIT Smarts
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19:52In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how to create and sustain organizational resiliency—a must-have competency in today’s fast-changing business world. We kick things off with a little game we call “learning.” First, we share our personal and professional takes on what makes a workplace truly resilient. Then, in the next episode, we’ll check in…
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S10 Ep27: Aimie Atkinson, original Katherine Howard in Six & Vivian Ward in Pretty Woman
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37:19Olivier nominee Aimie Atkinson is In The Frame! Aimie is preparing for the release of her album Queen which will be launched with a special solo concert in the West End on 23rd June at the Vaudeville Theatre. Aimie originated the role of Katherine Howard in Six The Musical in the West End, on tour and on the studio album. After reuniting with the o…
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Episode 195: Flugidity Revisited: Why We’re Still Talking About Structure vs. Flexibility Back by popular demand… or maybe just our own curiosity.
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11:34After we hit “stop” on our last episode, Tight Ship or Jazz Band?, we realized the conversation wasn’t over. The tension between discipline and flexibility kept tugging at us — and stirred up a few stories (and laughs) we hadn’t yet shared. So we’re back, diving deeper into the power and pitfalls of routine, the magic of improvisation, and why find…
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S10 Ep26: Aidan MacColl, Leonardo in Pop Off, Michelangelo!
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37:00Aidan MacColl is starring as Leonardo in Pop Off, Michelangelo! at Underbelly Boulevard Soho. Written by Dylan MarcAurele, Pop Off, Michelangelo! premiered at last year's Edinburgh Fringe Festival to huge acclaim and went on to play some concert performances at The Other Palace. The show follows childhood friends Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci …
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S10 Ep25: Hadley Fraser, star of City of Angels, Opening Night, Les Misérables, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels & The Deep Blue Sea
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51:01Hadley Fraser is In The Frame! Hadley is preparing to play his biggest solo show yet at Cadogan Hall on Sunday 15th June, which follows the release of his most recent album Things That Come And Go. Presented in association with ADAMA Entertainment and WestWay Music, Hadley's show will feature guest performances from his wife Rosalie Craig (Company/…
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S10 Ep24: Michael Jibson, Steve in This Is My Family & London's original King George III in Hamilton
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40:38Olivier winner Michael Jibson is playing Steve in This Is My Family, marking his return to musical theatre. Written by Tim Firth, This Is My Family is having its London premiere at Southwark Playhouse Elephant. The show is about a disastrous family holiday and won the UK Theatre Award for Best Musical in 2013. Michael won the 2018 Olivier Award for…
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S10 Ep23: Keith Ramsay, Peanut in Shucked
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32:04Keith Ramsay is playing Peanut in the UK premiere of Shucked. Following its run on Broadway, Shucked has opened at the Regent's Park Open Air Theatre directed by Jack O'Brien. The show has book by Robert Horn, music and lyrics by Brandy Clark and Shane McAnally. Keith's theatre credits include: The Play That Goes Wrong (Duchess Theatre); Eve: All A…
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Episode 194: Tight Ship or Jazz Band? Finding Balance in Today’s Workplace
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25:15Bob ‘n Joyce riff on how much structure is too much — and when it’s time to improvise. In this episode, they dive into the ongoing tug-of-war between discipline and flexibility — habits that create stability vs. the adaptability that sparks innovation. Once upon a time, businesses prized routine, rituals, and predictability. But in today’s fast-mov…
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300th Episode: Jerry Mitchell, director & choreographer of BOOP!, The Devil Wears Prada & Becoming Nancy
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34:47It's the 300th episode and Tony winner Jerry Mitchell is back In The Frame! Jerry has worked extensively as a director and choreographer in both the West End and on Broadway. He is currently nominated for Best Choreography at this year’s Tony Awards for his production of BOOP! The Betty Boop Musical - with music by David Foster - which is running t…
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S10 Ep21: Lucie-Mae Sumner, Winifred Banks in Mary Poppins
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49:10Lucie-Mae Sumner is playing Winifred Banks in Mary Poppins. The show is back on tour across the UK & Ireland, following its most recent runs in the West End and Australia. Mary Poppins has original music and lyrics by Richard M. Sherman and Robert B. Sherman with new songs and additional music and lyrics by George Stiles and Anthony Drewe. The book…
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S10 Ep20: Kellie Shirley, Joy in Parlour Song
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33:18Kellie Shirley is playing Joy in the London revival of Parlour Song by Jez Butterworth at the Greenwich Theatre. Kellie has worked extensively onstage, some of her roles have included Pauline in One Man, Two Guvnors (Theatre Royal Haymarket), Brooke in Noises Off (Frinton Summer Theatre), Beverly in Abigail’s Party (Park Theatre), Stella Stone & Ge…
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Episode 193: Beyond Ping Pong Tables: How to Build a Culture of Care
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18:05In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore what it really takes to create a workplace where people thrive — and it’s a lot more than free snacks and ping pong tables. They dive into the idea of on-site wellness centers, where employees can unplug, recharge, and access real support. Imagine a workplace that offers: ✅ Manicures and massage therapy ✅ On-si…
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S10 Ep19: Oliver Jacobson, Barman in The Choir of Man
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33:08Oliver Jacobson is currently playing Barman in The Choir of Man. The Choir Of Man is back in the West End at the Arts Theatre. The show features hits from artists such as Queen, Luther Vandross, Sia, Paul Simon, Adele, Guns & Roses, Avicii and Katy Perry, performed by an ensemble of singers and musicians. Oliver most recently played Oz in the first…
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Episode 192: The Chosen Few: A Talent Strategy That’s Holding You Back
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22:22In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the common practice of relying on the same group of people—time and again—to get important work done. Joyce calls them the “spoiled brats,” while Bob refers to them as the “usual suspects” or “chosen ones.” The problem? This habit unintentionally sidelines the talent in waiting—the wild cards and up-and-comers—…
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S10 Ep18: Jaz Robinson, Catherine of Aragon in Six
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37:44Jaz Robinson is starring as Catherine of Aragon in the West End production of Six. Written by Toby Marlow and Lucy Moss, Six has direction by Lucy Moss and Jamie Armitage with choreography by Carrie-Anne Ingrouille. Six was first performed in London in 2017, and is now the winner of over 35 international awards including two Tonys. Jaz is from Toro…
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S10 Ep17: Charlie Burn, Cady in Mean Girls
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39:43Charlie Burn is starring as Cady Heron in the West End production of Mean Girls. Having premiered on Broadway in 2018, Mean Girls opened in London last year. Tina Fey adapted the show from her 2004 film, collaborating with Jeff Richmond who composed the music and Nell Benjamin who wrote the lyrics. The show is directed and choreographed by Casey Ni…
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