The benefits of working with family include mutual trust, a shared long-term outlook, and quick decision making. However, your inner family business relationships can also cause chaos for the company and family. What can you do? Join us as we explore chaos proofing your family business so you can build a great company with a strong family around it. 21clear.com
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Adam Hatcher Podcasts
Your Next Gen Friend is the podcast for successors—whether you’re stepping into a family business, a privately held company, or simply the expectations tied to someone else’s legacy. I’m Andrea: G2, a successor in a privately owned business, and a guide for the next generation navigating identity, pressure, and purpose inside family systems. This show is for those of us in the in-between... honoring what came before while trying to build something that’s truly our own. Whether you’re blood f ...
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A Letter That Changed Everything with Adam Hatcher (Part 1)
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What does clarity really look like in a family business? In this episode, Andrea talks with third-generation leader Adam Hatcher, who shares how a simple letter from his father set the standard for joining the family firm—and why that decision changed everything. Together they unpack the complex mix of love, loyalty, and leadership that defines mul…
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Bumpers for the Business: How EOS Gives Successors Clarity
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What happens when successors finally have a system that helps them lead with clarity instead of chaos? Andrea sits down with Adam Hill and Jacqueline Jensen to explore how EOS (the Entrepreneurial Operating System) changed their leadership—and their companies. You’ll hear their origin stories in family business, what EOS made possible, and their fa…
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Generation 1.5: How JR Ramji Is Building Legacy and New Playbooks at 20
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What does it mean to be Generation 1.5—old enough to remember the drywall dust, young enough to build the next playbook? At just 20 years old, JR runs leasing at Victory Real Estate Group, sits at city council meetings for development projects, and co-founded NextGenX—a peer group for successors who know legacy is about people, not just money. He a…
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Steward the Seat: AJ Treleven on Family Governance That Grows
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Ever felt like the transition timeline is moving impossibly slow—while your career clock is ticking fast? AJ Treleven (EVP, Sprague Pest Solutions) walks us through the governance backbone of a century-old family enterprise: outside directors to buffer family from operations, a two-meeting cadence that separates fiduciary work from family dynamics,…
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In this episode of The Twenty One Clear Podcast, Adam Hatcher takes us into Part 2 of Chaos Proofing Your Family Hiring by focusing on the essential and highly practical steps required for chaos-proofing the hiring of family members in a family business. Drawing on real-world stories and experiences, Adam explores how to set clear hiring criteria, …
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Choosing What Not to Inherit: Andrea on Legacy, Identity & Becoming
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This solo episode is a little different. Andrea shares her personal answers to the three reflective questions she now asks every guest on the podcast—designed to move us through past, present, and future. ✨ Questions explored in this episode: What have I chosen not to inherit? What’s a part of my story that I’m learning to honor right now? In one w…
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You Are Not the Business: Legacy, Energy & Leadership with Anne Bauer
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What if stepping into family business leadership meant putting on someone else’s suit every day—literally and figuratively? In this episode, Andrea sits down with sixth-generation CEO Anne Bauer, who shares how trying to lead like her dad left her feeling disconnected and creatively stuck. Anne opens up about the moment she realized she needed to s…
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In this episode of The Twenty One Clear Podcast, Adam Hatcher tackles the complexities of hiring in a family business and reveals what it takes to chaos proof your approach. Through real-life stories—both painful and instructive—Adam examines how the absence of intentional hiring criteria can fracture both a company and the family at its core. List…
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Role, Vision, and Power Shifts for Business Successors
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What if I told you that business transition isn't just about changing ownership—it's about six fundamental transformations that happen to both the successor and the current owner? In this solo episode, Andrea introduces the Six Metamorphoses of Business Transition, a framework that helps families and business teams understand the psychological and …
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The Four Fears I Had Before Saying Yes to Succession
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What goes through your mind when someone asks you to be their successor? For Andrea, it wasn't immediate excitement—it was a flood of very real fears and questions. In this honest and relatable episode, Andrea takes you inside her thought process when Elizabeth first asked her to become the successor at The Transition Strategists. From meeting Eliz…
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In this episode of the 21 Clear Podcast, host Adam Hatcher lays out the chaos proofing family business framework. Drawing from years in his own family company and conversations with countless family business executives and thought leaders, Adam explains that trust sits at the heart of every successful family enterprise—and why confusion, tension, a…
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When You're Next: Navigating the Weight of Succession
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Andrea tackles one of the most loaded phrases in family business: "You're next." Whether it's taking over the family business, stepping into leadership alongside siblings, or inheriting family wealth responsibilities, being told you're next rarely comes with the clarity successors actually need. In this vulnerable and practical episode, Andrea shar…
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Taking Ownership: From Inheritance Shame to Empowerment with Suzy Riedman
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In this candid conversation, Andrea and Suzy explore the complex emotions that come with inheriting family wealth. Suzy, a third-generation wealth inheritor, shares her journey from feeling shame about "unearned" money to becoming empowered to take control of her financial future. Key Topics: Wrestling with the psychology of inherited wealth and fi…
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After launching with a powerful three-part series on sibling dynamics, Andrea takes listeners behind the scenes of her own story in this deeply personal episode. Most importantly, Andrea explains why Your Next Gen Friend exists - to create community for successors who often feel isolated while navigating guilt, imposter syndrome, and the challenge …
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Dr. Sara Davis, director of the Family Enterprise Center at Kennesaw State, joins Adam Hatcher to cut through the confusion around family offices—a structure that once seemed reserved for the ultra-wealthy but now appears on the horizon for families with as little as $5 million in assets. The episode grounds big-picture trends in the everyday risks…
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Sibling Dynamics in Family Business: The Messy Middle (Part 2)
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This is the second episode of a three-part series on sibling dynamics in family businesses. The conversation dives deeper into the complexities of family roles, the importance of communication (even poor communication), and how vulnerability and empathy become essential leadership tools when working with siblings. The episode explores the tension b…
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Sibling Dynamics in Family Business: Intentional Relationships (Part 1)
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This is the first episode of a three-part series on sibling dynamics in family businesses, featuring three thoughtful leaders with vastly different experiences - from 12 siblings in a farming operation to passing a business to the next generation of siblings. Andrea Carpenter hosts an honest conversation about the good stuff, hard stuff, and unexpe…
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Sibling Dynamics in Family Business: Trust, Legacy, and Leading Differently (Part 3)
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This is the powerful conclusion to the three-part series on sibling dynamics in family businesses. The conversation moves beyond day-to-day challenges to explore how the current generation can become "great ancestors" who build lasting trust, redefine success, and create positive legacies for future generations. The episode offers profound insights…
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Introducing Your Next Gen Friend: Where Legacy Meets Leadership
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Hey friend, I'm Andrea Carpenter, and I get it — that feeling of being caught between what's been built and what's next for you. Your Next Gen Friend is where we have the honest conversations about family business succession that don't always happen out loud. Whether you're wondering if you even want this path or you do but don't feel ready, you're…
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This episode of The Twenty One Clear Podcast goes straight at a question many family business owners avoid: How do you build a great company with your family and not look back with regret? Adam Hatcher is joined by Shane Arthur, executive coach and founder of Arthur Coaching, whose own story of turning down a corporate promotion grounds this conver…
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In this first episode of the 21 Clear Podcast, host Adam Hatcher explores the unique dynamics of family businesses, sharing insights from his own experience growing a successful family company. Join us as we discuss the nuances of working with family, the challenges that arise, and the importance of distinguishing the family business within the bro…
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