Conversations that explore what it takes to talk about what really matters so that leaders can create positive change in their organisations and the wider world.
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Sarah Rozenthuler Podcasts
POW is the Psychology of Work podcast from the Association for Business Psychology. In this podcast we give you the latest explosive insights from some of the brightest thinkers - and doers - in the field of business psychology. Episodes cover topics such as the rise of the gig economy, leadership, personality, and assessment, and include interviews with small business 'tsar' Emma Jones MBE, Chief Executive of the RSA Matthew Taylor, the journalist James Bloodworth, and business psychology p ...
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Sarah and Mandar discuss his transformational journey from being a petroleum engineer and a 17-year career at Shell to becoming a peace activist teaching meditation and self-care practices. In the conversation we cover (1) Mandar's work integrating meditation and breathing techniques into the corporate world, under the banner of 'innovation', start…
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Episode 48: Conversation that generates positive change – Sarah Rozenthuler discusses her latest book Now We’re Talking
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32:27Authentic dialogue is a rare thing within many businesses and organisations and, in discussion with Rob Feltham, Sarah Rozenthuler outlines some of the practical ways in which leaders can address this gap and reap the benefits in terms of creativity, flow and ‘thinking together’. Topics covered in this podcast include: psychological safety which is…
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In this episode, Sarah and Catherine Stothart discuss (1) how understanding a framework of four interaction styles helps you communicate with people whose personality or approach is very different to you own (whether at work or in your personal life); (2) how you can flex your style enabling you to build rapport, collaborate effectively and communi…
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Episode 47: The genie is out of the bottle – Business Psychology in the age of AI, with Alan Bourne, Dexter Winters and Kate Young
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1:04:47In an engaging discussion hosted by Rob Feltham, three eminent business psychologists working at the frontiers of AI share their perspectives on how the profession can remain impactful and relevant in a world of work rapidly being transformed. The conversation starts with a macro view of AI at work, and the role of psychologists in helping organisa…
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Episode 9: The Happiness Hack: Curating Caring Conversations
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42:56In this episode, Sarah and Klaudia discuss (1) what happiness is; (2) how we can grow our happiness through cultivating 'happiness habits'; (3) how to manage destructive self-talk and stop ruminating before a difficult conversation; and (4) how to develop a toolkit so that your happiness doesn't depend on any person, place or thing exterior to you.…
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Episode 8: Being a Resilient, Responsive and Resourced Leader
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53:25In this episode, Sarah discusses with Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer, authors of Wise Power and Wild Power, (1) why cyclical awareness is an under-utilised resource that builds resilience in leaders, (2) how to pick your moment for a courageous conversation (3) how leader is able to be responsive by setting boundaries and standing their g…
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Episode 46: A conversation with Dr Mike Rugg-Gunn, author of Managing Talent, A Short Guide for the Digital Age
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37:56In discussion with Rob Feltham, Mike shares thought-provoking perspectives on a range of talent topics including: real-time performance management; neuroscience in psychometric assessment; the ever-increasing importance of the freelance workforce as a central element of the talent pool; generational stereotypes (Gen Y, Gen Z etc); and the urgent ne…
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Episode 45: Can leaders catch themselves in flight? A conversation with Ross McIntosh about Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)
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39:27In discussion with Rob Feltham, Ross McIntosh provides a fascinating overview of the ACT framework and how it can help leaders to build psychological flexibility, in part by managing the interactions between their ‘inner voices’ and the ways that they show up at work. Topics covered include: building self awareness with the help of the Micro Pause …
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In this episode, Sarah discusses with Anne Power, author of Contented Couples and a couples therapist (1) why couples who learn how to navigate conflict strengthen their relationship, (2) how healthy couples repair after a rupture (3) what a difference it makes when a couple has a learning-together orientation and (4) how a long-term contented rela…
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Episode 6: 'Where did you learn to behave like that?'
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36:25In this episode, Sarah discusses with Dr Sarah Hill (1) why understanding our ‘childhood story’ unlocks stuck behaviour patterns in leaders (2) what a childhood story is (3) how we can start to notice in a high stakes situation that our childhood story has become activated, and (4) what we can do to create a new narrative so that we expand our beha…
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Episode 44: You can forget your past but it won’t forget you – Nik Kinley discusses his latest book.
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37:17Nik Kinley is a business psychologist and successful author with over 30 years’ experience specialising in assessing leaders, changing people’s behaviour and evolving organisational cultures. In an engaging discussion with Rob Feltham, Nik talks about his latest book, co-authored with Shlomo Ben-Hur, entitled Re-writing your Leadership Code: How yo…
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Episode 5: The Four Secrets to Navigating Difficult Conversations Successfully
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34:04In this episode following Sarah’s book launch at RADA in London, Sarah discusses with Jan Rakowicz (1) why she wrote her latest book Now We’re Talking (2) what makes conversations so difficult (3) why it’s important to cut through ‘avoidance syndrome’ and (4) the four secrets that enable a manager or leader to discuss what really matters. The four …
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Episode 43: The wonderful thing about diversity – Philip Wilson discusses the transformation undergone by Civil Service Fast Stream
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38:26In discussion with Rob Feltham, Philip Wilson, brings to life his remarkable journey as Chief Psychologist for UK Civil Service Fast Stream and Emerging Talent. He has led the design of the Fast Stream assessment process, along with the diversity and inclusion strategy and leadership curriculum. The diversity profile of the intake has been transfor…
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Episode 4: Moving beyond inner criticism with Dr Claus Springborg
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44:28In this episode, Sarah and Claus discuss (1) what inner criticism is (2) how we can detect inner criticism starting to operate inside us and (3) how we can manage this mechanism so that it no longer shuts down our dialogue but strengthens us to talk about what matters most. About Claus Dr. Claus Springborg is a thought leader in the field of leader…
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Episode 3: Make time to reflect with Pete Burden
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42:50Sarah and Pete Burden discuss (1) leading mindfully and the difference this makes; (2) cutting through power dynamics so that what needs to be discussed gets talked about; and (3) how to develop practices in teams and in your own leadership that foster reflection and a deeper level of noticing. We also reflect on what the growing movement of 'consc…
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Episode 42: Vision and values are not enough – A conversation with David Sharpley, author of Leadership Principles and Purpose
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52:37David Sharpley is a leadership development expert and experienced organisational psychologist. In an absorbing discussion with Rob Feltham, David draws on his own extensive experience and research, and shares valuable insights into what distinguishes healthy organisations from unhealthy and self-destructive ones, examples of the latter being UK Pos…
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Episode 2: The art of lingering in dialogue with Professor Reinhard Stelter
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34:22Reinhard Stelter (Professor of Sport & Coaching Psychology at University of Copenhagen in Denmark) and I discuss how dialogue is the art of opening up a reflective space, how listening is the most essential skill that a leader can bring to a conversation and how being attentive to yourself makes dialogue transformative for all. "In true dialogue, b…
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Episode 41: Senior leadership disclosure of mental health lived experience: A conversation with Dr Rachel Lewis
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29:05Rachel Lewis is widely published in the field of health and wellbeing at work and has contributed to national guidance, and evidence-based tools and interventions. We are delighted to have Rachel as our guest for this special podcast to mark Mental Health Awareness Week, 2024. In discussion with Alex Forsythe, Rachel provides fresh and sometimes co…
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Episode 1: Speak out, listen up with Megan Reitz
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39:28Sarah and Megan explore how leaders create spaces for conversations that matter by (1) deepening their listening so that team members speak up and real issues are discussed; (2) being aware of power dynamics and their impact on a conversation; (3) paying attention to the incoming tide of employee activism and the use of generative AI in organisatio…
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Episode 40: Challenging assumptions about psychometric assessment and reshaping our practice: A conversation with Professor Steve Woods
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45:08Professor Steve Woods works at the leading edge of research into personality at work, including psychometric and personality trait assessment, and personality development and change. In conversation here with Rob Feltham, he discusses two recent and important peer reviewed articles in which he and co-researchers have critically examined and challen…
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Episode 39: Women Leaders in Online Learning – Alex Forsythe in discussion with Vicky Irwin, Kate Lindsay and Jo-Anne Murray
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48:31In this special edition ABP podcast to mark International Women’s Day 2024, we hear from four distinguished female leaders who have been instrumental in shaping the exciting field of online learning over the past two decades. Innovation in the online learning space is transforming education to become much more: accessible and inclusive; responsive …
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Episode 38: Authentic Personal Branding - A conversation with David Royston-Lee and Sylvana Storey, authors of Brand You
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40:12David Royston-Lee and Dr Sylvana Storey have recently published an updated third edition of their highly popular book, Brand You – a readable and practical guide to developing one’s personal brand (details below). In conversation with Rob Feltham, David and Sylvana provide the rationale for, and powerful examples of, developing a strong and consist…
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Episode 37: How are Leadership Expectations Evolving? A conversation with Dan Hughes, Senior Director R&D at Talogy
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27:23Dan Hughes is Senior Director of Research and Development at Talogy, a global talent management consultancy that specialises in selection, development and engagement of talent and whose solutions blend state-of-art psychology and technology. In discussion with Professor Alex Forsythe, Dan describes some of the key findings from Talogy’s extensive r…
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Episode 36: Growing the next generation of business psychologists – A Conversation with Dr Dawn H. Nicholson, Vice Chair of the ABP
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34:36In a special edition of the ABP podcast series, recorded to mark National Career Development Month November 2023, we hear Dawn Nicholson in conversation with Rob Feltham. Drawing a highly successful career which has spanned business and academia, Dawn has led pioneering initiatives for the Association for Business Psychology which have included bui…
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Episode 35: Infinite perspectives, embracing the power of diversity -– A conversation with Joy Maitland, Managing Director of Inemmo UK
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45:10In a special edition of the ABP podcast series, recorded during Black History Month 2023, we hear Joy Maitland in conversation with Dawn Nicholson. The discussion delves deep into the heart of inclusivity, unravelling the immense potential that lies within embracing diversity and exploring the boundless strength that diverse perspectives bring to t…
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Episode 34: Stop, think and ask ‘what is the problem’ ? A conversation with Professor Rob Briner
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29:08Rob Briner is an inspirational thought leader in the field of evidence based practice in management and HR. In a wide ranging discussion with Rob Feltham he highlights the dangers of business psychologists and other practitioners becoming submersed in “activity” without considering sufficiently how their work addresses the client organization’s ove…
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Episode 33: Performance, well-being and collaboration through a mindset of Growth - A conversation with Rich Cook, CEO of Mindset Practice
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20:41Rich is the founder of Mindset Practice and author of an evidence-based suite of applied humanistic psychology solutions, including innovative psychometrics, that enable people to perform more consistently from a mindset of Growth than Survival. In discussion with Alex Forsythe, Rich describes how he has drawn on psychological models from areas suc…
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Episode 32: Putting psychology into practice: A discussion with Sunaina Sinha Haldea, Global Head of Private Capital Advisory, Raymond James
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28:10Sunaina Sinha Haldea began life from humble beginnings, playing on the streets of India and Vietnam as a child - yet went on to found leading global placement agent and secondaries advisory firm Cebile Capital in 2011, which was subsequently acquired by Raymond James, a Fortune-500 financial services firm, where she now works as Global Head of Priv…
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Episode 31: Overcoming ageism in the workplace and society - A conversation with Lyndsey Simpson, CEO of 55 Redefined
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46:53The rapidly increasing age profile of the UK’s workforce creates both strategic and psychological challenges for employers, for individuals, and for society as a whole. Lyndsey Simpson works across a wide range of industries and sectors to help employers revamp their recruitment and employment practices with regard to older workers. In this episode…
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Episode 30: An interview with Jo Maddocks, author of the Emotional Intelligence Profile
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32:18Dr Jolyon (Jo) Maddocks has played an influential role in the development of psychometrically based approaches to the assessment and development of emotional intelligence. In conversation here with Rob Feltham, he provides a fascinating account of how the emotional intelligence concept originally captured the imagination of business leaders and rap…
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Episode 29: The curse of evaluative bias in psychometrics and moving beyond it – A conversation with Stewart Desson, CEO of Lumina learning
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32:31In discussion with Rob Feltham, Stewart shares his innovative approach to personality assessment, and in particular how he has worked to overcome reductionism and evaluative bias. Topics covered include: neurodivergence as a continuum; personality as a lens through which to understand the impacts of the ‘enforced experiment’ of remote working durin…
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Episode 28: Brand resilience in turbulent times – A conversation with Nathalie Nahai, author of Business Unusual
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24:21In a wide-ranging discussion with Rob Feltham, Nathalie shares her insights into factors that help make some businesses and brands resilient and sustainable in competitive markets and during challenging times. Topics covered include the Thoughtful Marketing movement, the interaction of values-based consumer choices and purchasing power, and the mar…
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Episode 27: Empowering the volunteer – A conversation with Sakshi Bansal, UNESCO Kindness Leader
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25:27This special podcast episode features Sakshi Bansal, recipient of the 2021 ABP Chair’s Award for Excellence in Business Psychology, in recognition of her pioneering work as founder of Project LEAP. In conversation with Alex Forsythe, Sakshi gives a fascinating description of how she took LEAP from small beginnings to an initiative with world-wide i…
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Episode 26: Workplace wellbeing during challenging times – A conversation with Claire de Carteret
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33:15In an engaging discussion with Alex Forsythe, Claire de Carteret points to alarming current trends in workplace well-being globally, and offers practical advice to leaders and employees about how to create exceptional workplaces which have net positive impact on people and the planet. Claire makes a compelling case for adopting a strengths based ap…
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Episode 25: A single voice can make a difference – An interview with Nuala Walsh
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32:11In an absorbing discussion with Alex Forsythe, Nuala discusses her research into bystander effects in organisations, and outlines the practical steps that companies can take to encourage their employees to ‘blow the whistle’ on unethical behaviours. Nuala also discusses her own career and explains some of the career routes available to those lookin…
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Episode 24: Work is broken – An interview with Rob Baker, author of ‘Personalisation at Work’
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31:07In conversation with Rob Feltham prior to his presentation to the recent ABP annual conference, Rob Baker discusses why modern work practices are failing us - constraining rather than amplifying our diverse skills, strengths, passions and interests. Globally over 90% of us aren’t engaged, excited, and energised about our jobs. Rob argues that Job C…
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Episode 23: The pace of change is too slow – A conversation with John Amaechi, OBE
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36:17In an absorbing discussion with Alex Forsythe, John Amaechi talks about his background, his views on leadership and the supposed ‘new normal’, and the need for radical change in a post Covid world. He also shares some of his personal experiences and perspectives on life. John is a respected organisational psychologist, best-selling New York Times a…
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Episode 22: An interview with Ian Robertson, author of ‘How Confidence Works’
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28:22In conversation with Rob Feltham, Professor Ian Robertson discusses some of the themes from his recently published and critically acclaimed book entitled How Confidence Works. He describes how confidence is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy and how it can be enhanced, and he draws attention to the upsides and downsides of overconfidence and n…
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Episode 21: Feeling abnormal in an abnormal world – A discussion with Dr Nancy Doyle about neurodiversity and organisational inclusion
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24:35In discussion with ABP Board member Guy Cohen, Dr Nancy Doyle provides a challenging critique of how organisations ‘tick the box of diversity inclusion’ whilst their recruitment and development practices perpetuate segregation. She also points to the failings of the education system in preparing young people for the workplace. She brings clarity to…
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Episode 20: Learning and Development in a Digital by Default world – A conversation with Donald Taylor
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33:23Donald Taylor is a well-known commentator and organiser in the field of workplace learning and learning technologies. In an engaging discussion with ABP Vice Chair Lucy Standing, he shares his perspectives on the future of L&D, highlighting both the dangers of the training course “treadmill” and the huge opportunities for L&D professionals who part…
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Episode 19: The world could use a little more wisdom – An interview with Chip Conley
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30:48This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, features Chip Conley – New York Times bestselling author and the maverick iconic boutique hotelier who helped Airbnb’s founders turn their fast-growing tech start-up into a global hospitality brand. In an engaging discussion with ABP board member Nicky Thompson, Chip shares his love for psycholog…
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Episode 18: When a robot becomes your boss – A discussion with Anton Fishman, HR & Talent Tech Start-up Advisor
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31:38In a fascinating discussion with ABP Chair Professor Alex Forsythe, Anton shares his insights into, and predictions about, the future of work, and the role of business psychologists in a world where machine intelligence and human intelligence live side by side. Some of the “corrals” that psychologists have traditionally built around areas of their …
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Episode 17: Psychology and Data Science at a Crossroads -- An interview with Robert Newry
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24:21In an absorbing discussion with ABP Board member Uzma Waseem, Robert shares his perspectives on the converging paths of data science, cognitive neuroscience, technology and business psychology in the pursuit of innovation. He points to the huge benefits to be gained from working across disciplines towards common goals, and he highlights some of the…
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Episode 16: The Future of Work is Here – An Interview with Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic
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39:29This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, was recorded after Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic’s keynote at the 2020 Association for Business Psychology Conference. In a fascinating discussion with ABP board member Nicky Thompson, Tomas shares his thoughts on, among other things, the critical role of leadership in the pandemic and the challenge…
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Episode 15: Professor Sir Cary Cooper on a post-Covid leadership agenda
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33:11This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, features an absorbing discussion between Professor Sir Cary Cooper, CBE, and Professor Alex Forsythe, recorded shortly after Sir Cary’s keynote at the 2020 Association for Business Psychology Conference. Sir Cary shares his thoughts on, among other things, what have we learned from the Covid cris…
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Episode 14 - Kate Waters and Rory Sutherland on behavioural biases and psychology in marketing
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38:54This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, features a fascinating discussion with Kate Waters, Director of Strategy and Client at ITV, and Rory Sutherland, vice chair of Ogilvy UK, TED talk superstar and ABP Honorary Member, recorded at the 2019 ABP Conference. They discuss how biases inform how we think about behaviour, TV, advertising, …
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Episode 13 - Eric Singler, CEO and founder of BVA Nudge Unit, on driving successful behaviour change
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26:42This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, features a fascinating interview with Eric Singler, the Founder, President and CEO of the BVA Nudge Unit, recorded at the 2019 ABP Conference following his keynote speech. Eric is also Global Managing Director of the BVA Group, one of the 15 largest consulting and market research firms in the wor…
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Episode 12 - Claudia Hammond, presenter of BBC Radio 4's 'All in the Mind', on the psychology of money
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21:44This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, features an interview with Claudia Hammond, an award-winning broadcaster, writer and academic psychologist, conducted after her keynote at the 2019 ABP Conference. Hammond is the presenter of All in the Mind, Case Study & Mind Changers on BBC Radio 4 and the weekly Health Check on BBC World Servi…
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Episode 11 - An Interview with Bruce Daisley, Author of ’The Joy of Work’ and Host of the ‘Eat, Sleep, Work, Repeat’ Podcast
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25:36This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, is a fascinating interview with Bruce Daisley, author of Sunday Times bestselling book 'The Joy of Work' (published as 'Eat, Sleep, Work, Repeat' in the USA) and host of the number 1 European business podcast 'Eat, Sleep, Work, Repeat'. At the time of interview (October 2019), Daisley was the VP …
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Episode 10 - Creating Lasting Behaviour Change in The Workplace
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28:08In this episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, Dr Zara Whysall and Carina Derrick from Kiddy and Partners share insights on how to create behaviour change amongst business leaders, recognising context, mindset and skillset - building on their great talk at the 2019 ABP Conference. How can we help facilitate change when that pace of change …
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