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"Behind the Screens" is a podcast that brings you up close and personal with the people in the background screening industry. Hosted by Les Rosen, each episode features in-depth, human-interest interviews with a diverse range of guests—including business executives, employees with extensive screening experience, vendors who serve the industry, and legal and compliance experts. These conversations dive into the personal stories and insights of those who know the industry best, offering a fres ...
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Pillow Talk Sessions

Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski

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Pillow Talk Sessions Podcast is the go-to podcast for exploring the future of hospitality and serviced living. Co-hosted by Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski and brought to you by the team at Abode Worldwide, each episode features insightful conversations with pioneers shaping the built-to-rent, co-living, PBSA, later living, multifamily and hospitality sectors. Each episode explores the transition from simply providing spaces to creating value, community, and experiences. We discuss ...
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Housed: The Shared Living Podcast

Sarah Canning, Deenie Lee and Daniel Smith

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Sarah Canning and Deenie Lee of The Property Marketing Strategists have teamed up with Daniel Smith of Student Housing Consultancy to discuss the latest news, views and insights in the shared living sector. Each episode they will be delving into a wide variety of subjects and asking the questions which aren't often asked. This podcast is a must for anyone working in Student Accommodation, BTR, Co-Living, Operational Real Estate or Shared Living.
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Send us a text Sarah, Dan and Deenie are back with a brand new season of Housed, dissecting and discussing some fresh new topics from the world of shared living. This week insights: - The impact of the new Housing Secretary - Why does affordable just mean 'old'? - More 18 year olds going to uni = more in student accommodation? - Why has the 25/26 s…
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Send us a text Think carrying the PBSA gavel is all formality and boardrooms? Think again. When three Chairs sit down together, you get a mix of wisdom, war stories, and a few moments that prove even industry leaders don’t take themselves too seriously. In this episode, I bring together Tim Gordon, Chad Ascar, and Scott Maloney—the current chair, t…
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In this week’s Pillow Talk Sessions, Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski sit down with Jonathan Burridge, Founder & CEO of Utopi, to explore how his company is helping operators cut costs, reduce carbon, and improve resident engagement through data-driven technology. šŸ’” Highlights include: ⚔ How Utopi uncovered 1,400% energy consumption varianc…
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Send us a text What do background screening, the Indian Army, and vinyl records have in common? On the surface, nothing—until you meet Chetan Desai. From serving as a weapons instructor and mountaineer to founding one of India’s first background screening firms, Chetan’s story is proof that discipline, curiosity, and just a little obsession (with b…
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Send us a text Sarah, Dan and Deenie are joined by Chris Cater, Richard Ward and Sarah Turner-Jones to talk about the London Masterplan. This episode was recorded in-front of a live audience at opening of the new Fusion PBSA building in Brent Cross Town. The panel discuss why London is treated so differently to the rest of the UK: - How are differe…
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In this week’s Pillow Talk Sessions, Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski sit down with Josef Vollmayr, Co-Founder & Managing Director of Limehome, to explore how the company is reshaping hospitality across Europe with efficiency, design, and digital-first operations. šŸ’” Highlights include: šŸŒ Why most travelers now value clean, functional stays …
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Send us a text What if the very foundations of background screening—the databases, the processes, the standards—were shaped by someone who once started out answering phones as a young mom just trying to make it work? That’s the story of Catherine Aldrich Brame. From building the first national criminal databases at CDB Infotech, to scaling Accurate…
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Send us a text What does leadership look like when it’s built on resilience, curiosity, and an unwavering belief in people? For Susie Thomson, it looks like a career that has taken her from the ground floor of her family business to the top ranks of global background screening. She helped create Security Watchdog, guided its growth through acquisit…
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Send us a text The final episode in this special mini series with The Class Foundation and we are asking ā€œHow do we cultivate the PBSA sector leaders of tomorrow?ā€ Dan and Sarah are joined by Kelly-anne Watson of The Class Foundation as well as two brilliant leaders from the sector marketing expert Romy Levin and Jon Badge of We are Homes for Stude…
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In this episode of Pillow Talk Sessions, Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski sit down with Kevin Murphy, Co-founder & COO of Renew, to explore how multifamily operators can turn one of their biggest weaknesses—renewals—into a relationship-driven advantage. šŸ’” Highlights include: šŸ˜ļø Why renewals should start on day one, not 60 days before expiry…
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Send us a text What happens when you take four professionals from different corners of the background screening industry—each with unique expertise, bold ideas, and a willingness to shake things up—and put them together on one stage? You get disruption. In this special episode, I sit down with Andrew Cashman, Tressa Fullard, Kevin Horval, and Oakle…
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Send us a text What if the path you thought would be temporary turned out to be the foundation of a lifelong calling? That’s the story of Bobby Shank. With a degree in finance and even a chapter of life spent in Costa Rica, Bobby never expected that joining his family’s business, Roundstone, would anchor him in the background screening industry for…
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Send us a text In episode two in this three-part mini series we are focusing on regional frameworks and some of the lessons learned from the key four markets of the UK, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands. Dan, Deenie and Sarah are joined by Kelly-anne Watson and Frank Uffen to discuss: • National action frameworks being developed to coordinate housin…
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In this week’s Pillow Talk Sessions, we go behind the brand with Philip Grace, CDO at Bob W, to unpack the company’s vision of hospitality-first, asset-light, and tech-forward living across Europe. šŸ’” Inside the episode: šŸ˜ļø Bob W’s vertical villages that combine apartments, workspaces, restaurants, and rooftop pools šŸ¤ How strategic partnerships beat…
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Send us a text Imagine a professional who lives and breathes accuracy, thrives under the weight of compliance, and leads teams through constant industry evolution—then drop her into the challenging arena of public records and high-stakes client expectations. That’s Michelle Leblond, a master at turning complexity into clarity. In this episode, Mich…
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Send us a text How does a criminal defense attorney end up transforming the background screening industry? In this special 40th episode, I take a turn in the guest seat to share my unexpected journey—from representing clients in the courtroom to founding Employment Screening Resources and writing one of the earliest FCRA compliance manuals. Along t…
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Send us a text Housed has partnered up with The Class Foundation to bring you a special three-part mini series, getting under the skin of the importance of student housing strategy across Europe and warming the shared living sector up for the The Class Conference 2025 taking place in Lisbon this November. In this episode 'Reinforcing Europe', Dan, …
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This week on Pillow Talk Sessions, hosts Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski sit down with Nuno Jorge Trigo, Co-Founder & Co-CEO of FEEL GROUP, to discuss how the company is reshaping hospitality through its vertical building model. šŸ’” Key insights include: šŸ™ļø How combining co-working, serviced apartments, and events is changing the way we live…
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Send us a text What kind of person can turn a local startup into a global standard-setter—navigating legal landscapes, scaling teams, and staying human through it all? That’s the kind of trailblazing journey we explore in this episode. In this episode of Behind the Screens, I had the privilege of sitting down with Summa McCosker, a dynamic force in…
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Send us a text Can one person transform background screening by mastering compliance, reshaping operations, championing public access, and still give back through mentorship and public service? Meet the man doing exactly that, and discover how leadership is built one deliberate choice at a time. In this episode, I sit down with someone I’ve known s…
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Send us a text For the last episode in season four of Housed we opened the floor to our listeners and asked them to send in any questions. A huge thank you to Matt Burton of UPP, Seb Horst of Host, Benjamin Hall of LOFT, Noella Colingridge and Tom Ferber of HOMIE for contributing. Sarah, Dan and Deenie discuss: - Is a uni residential experience sti…
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This week on Pillow Talk Sessions, hosts Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski welcome Ed Ellerington, Founder & CEO of Packaged Living, to explore what it really means to bring a customer-first, tech-smart, and vertically integrated mindset to rental housing. šŸ’” In this episode: šŸ˜ļø Why the UK needs garden living and better single-family rental o…
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Send us a text What does it take to shape an entire industry from the inside out—while mastering compliance, leading operations, and serving the public good? It takes vision, grit, and a whole lot of hats—and this episode is proof of exactly that. In this episode, I sit down with Nancy Alt, founder of Tweak the Core, who’s spent decades navigating …
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Send us a text Technology should be transforming the shared living sector, with AI presenting both opportunities and challenges for marketing professionals across PBSA and BTR. We explore how artificial intelligence will reshape property operations while emphasizing the human skills needed to thrive in this changing landscape. But without the right…
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Send us a text What do you get when you combine relentless curiosity, unmatched versatility, and a passion for people? You get Dawn Standerwick—a powerhouse in the background screening industry whose career defies simple titles. From onboarding and marketing to compliance and criminal records, she’s worn every hat and rocked them all. In this episo…
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Send us a text The Housed Podcast team examines sustainability in shared living by comparing Glastonbury Festival's impressive renewable energy achievements with the current state of PBSA and BTR sectors, questioning why purpose-built accommodation struggles with basic green initiatives. • Many PBSA and BTR operators pay lip service to sustainabili…
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This week, we’re joined by Suraiya Comunello, CMO at Nido Living, for a deep dive into what truly matters to today’s students—and how operators can meet those expectations through service, design, and wellbeing. From cultural contrasts in booking behavior to the rise of digital-first decision-making, Suraiya offers a rare, international perspective…
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Send us a text How do you transform operations, compliance, and public records into a career you love—and lead others to love it too? Kathleen Nottingham didn’t just find her path in background screening; she built it brick by brick, puzzle by puzzle, from public record researcher to SVP at ScoutLogic and a seat on the PBSA Board of Directors. In t…
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Send us a text Sarah, Dan and Deenie are back for episode 65, this week's episode covers: How UAE student restrictions are sending shockwaves through the UK university system. Several institutions falling outside the global top 200 rankings—including UCLan, City University, and Heriot-Watt—now face losing hundreds of international students who prov…
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Send us a text From rural Oklahoma to boardroom strategy sessions—how does one man turn old-school values into modern industry influence? In this episode, I sit down with Larry White—a man whose title should come with the initials GSD (Gets Stuff Done). Larry is the current COO at JDP and has been a leader at some of the most influential names in t…
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Send us a text Latest Housed episode with special guest Jonathan Burridge, Co-Founder and CEO of Utopi. Sarah, Dan and Deenie are joined by Jonathan to discuss digital solutions to sustainability in shared living, the key themes covered in this episode include: Smart buildings aren't just collecting data—they're transforming how we live. In this co…
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The coliving industry is booming—but how you scale matters. In this episode of Pillow Talk Sessions, hosts Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski sit down with Mayank Pokharna, CEO of Fllat.com and Founder of Everything Coliving, to unpack the operational, cultural, and economic realities of coliving on a global scale. šŸ’” Key topics: šŸ› ļø Why gettin…
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Send us a text Ever wonder how the perspective of a former FTC insider could reshape your understanding of compliance in background screening? In this episode, I talk with Rebecca Kuehn, who’s journeyed from enforcing federal consumer protection laws at the FTC to guiding companies through the ever-evolving maze of FCRA compliance. With a sharp leg…
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Send us a text Stepping away from remote recording, the Housed - Shared Living Podcast team gathers in-person at a London studio to tackle pressing issues reshaping the shared accommodation landscape in Episode 63. Following energetic feedback from their UKREiiF coverage, the hosts reveal ongoing conversations to create a dedicated hub for PBSA, BT…
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Send us a text What if the unsung architect of your industry was never after the spotlight—just the truth? In this episode of Behind the Screens, I sit down with Larry Henry—the very first lawyer dedicated to background screening compliance under the FCRA, dating back to 1981. Who was defending FCRA compliance before most of us knew what that even …
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Send us a text Episode 62! And this week the hosts, Deenie, Sarah and Dan are discussing some of the content and themes from UKREiiF and all the shared living news from the last couple of weeks including: - The highs and lows of UKREiiF - Is PBSA less sexy than BTR and coliving? - Is the night time economy considered when designing spaces? - Will t…
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This week on Pillow Talk Sessions, we’re excited to release our first live-recorded episode, where we brought industry leaders together to unpack the future of resident experience in front of a live audience. Hosts Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski are joined by: šŸ”¹ Freya Richard (Vertus) šŸ”¹ Philippa Wagner (PeoplePlacesSpaces) šŸ”¹ Mitch Hammond…
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Send us a text Have you ever met someone who knew what they wanted to do with their life at age 12—and then actually did it? Almost every guest on this podcast has shared how they stumbled into background screening by accident. But not Brittany Bollinger Boyle. While most kids were dreaming about being astronauts or rock stars, Brittany was dreamin…
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Send us a text Meet Laura Randazzo—a powerhouse professional whose journey from entry-level verification specialist to Chief Operating Officer and national voice in background screening is nothing short of inspiring. In this episode, we trace her path through the rapidly changing landscape of screening technology, regulatory hurdles, and leadership…
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Send us a text We are on Episode 61 and this week the hosts, Deenie, Sarah and Dan are discussing some of the content and themes from the recent Student Housing Conference by LD Events. The episode covers; - Is agent data dangerous? - PBSA headwinds - Immigration mixed messages - The complexities around hypermixity and where are real opportunities …
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This week on Pillow Talk Sessions, Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski are joined by Rachel Hanniquet-Brooking, Managing Director of APO Group LTD, to explore the state of the UK rental market—and how Build-to-Rent operators can prepare for seismic change. šŸ’” Tune in to hear Rachel’s perspective on: 🧾 The impact of the Renters Reform Bill on no…
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Send us a text I sat with Derek Hinton for this week’s episode—a pioneer who’s been shaping the screening industry since 1984. From helping launch the first digital driving records to building CRA Zoom and co-authoring the Criminal Records Manual, Derek has played a pivotal role in how compliance, accreditation, and innovation collide. This episode…
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Send us a text We are on Episode 60, and this week the hosts; Deenie, Dan and Sarah are discussing: - The latest Youth Forum research on students and sustainability - Recycling: are we going far enough? - Key drivers for renters: is it cost or sustainability? - All-inclusive bills: time we moved away from them? - Industry awards: should you be ente…
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Send us a text What happens when a tech-savvy engineer with a passion for mangoes, a background in global consulting, and an MBA from New York turns his attention to building one of the most respected background screening companies in the world? In this episode, I sit down with Sachin Aggarwal, Director at AMS Inform, to explore how a career that s…
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Send us a text This week Deenie, Sarah & Dan are discussing: - Changing management companies - The Housing Hand report Understanding Renters in 2025 - Why we need to be educating renters - The Renters Rights’ Bill - Using AI for researching how to rent - Addressing affordability - Student Crowd data on PBSA stock in Glasgow. Thank you to our season…
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Jessica Gillingham and Kristian Lupinski sit down with Simone Puorto, Founder of Travel Singularity, to unpack how technology, empathy, and adaptability are reshaping the future of hospitality. šŸ’” Tune in to explore: šŸ”¹ How tech can amplify human connection, not replace it šŸ”„ Why hospitality design must respond to human rhythms, not rigid formats šŸ  Wh…
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Send us a text How does a guy go from managing concrete budgets in Virginia to shaping international privacy frameworks from Milan to Singapore? The answer lies in one of the most unexpected—and inspiring—career journeys in the background screening industry. In this episode, I talk with the elusive ā€œthird amigoā€ himself—Andy Hellman—a man whose car…
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Send us a text Our latest episode kicks off with the hosts, Sarah, Dan and Deenie discussing listener feedback. With thanks to Tom Sutcliffe of Scape, Max Beilby from Vita Student and Aaron Bailey from Yugo for their input. Also, a big thank you to John Stotter-Marden from Washstation for providing us with facts and details on laundry facilities. W…
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Send us a text Have you ever stopped to think about what grit, perseverance, and a little bit of luck it takes to build a background screening business from scratch? Imagine navigating a world of fax machines, colored file folders, and constant tech disruption—all while trying to stay ahead of the curve. In this episode, I sit down with Marc Linchu…
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Send us a text This episode of Housed covers: - Why twin rooms are rarely seen in PBSA? - What a dual occupancy studio really means and why developers are building single occupancy coliving schemes - Does the PBSA booking season look rosy? - The conflict between investors and operators when it comes to positivity vs realism - Dan is desperate to di…
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