If you’re a property manager looking to scale your business beyond 300, 500, or even 1,000 doors, you’ve come to the right place. You might be asking - Is it worth it? How do I do it? Where do I find the money? What about the people? Trust us, we've made every mistake you can think of...then we made some up. Listen in as we describe what worked and what didn't on our journey from 300 to 3,000 houses.
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Are you a new investor looking to buy your first rental property? Or a busy executive looking to deploy capital into cash flowing rental properties? Are you interested in flipping houses or becoming a wholesaler? Are you looking to invest in different markets around the US? If you fall in any of those buckets, this podcast is for you. Join seasoned rental investors and co-hosts Matthew Whitaker, Spencer Sutton, and Gray Hall for in-depth conversations about real estate investing, deal analys ...
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Do you want to learn the ins and outs of owning rental property in Birmingham, Alabama? Want to hear from local pros as they break down the areas, the deals, and even pitfalls rental owners fall into? Then you've come to the right podcast. Join rental experts, Matthew Whitaker and Spencer Sutton, as they provide you with the local scoop and interview both hometown and nationally-renowned investment heroes.
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Do you want to learn the ins and outs of the Atlanta, Georgia real estate market? Want to hear from local pros as they break down the areas, the deals, and even pitfalls from decades of experience? Then you've come to the right podcast. Join real estate experts, Matthew Whitaker and Spencer Sutton, as they provide you with the local scoop and interview both hometown and nationally-renowned investment heroes.
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Welcome to the Real Estate Investing Podcast, your ultimate resource for actionable tips, strategies, and market insights tailored to investors seeking to build wealth and succeed in the real estate market. Whether you're just starting or you're an experienced investor refining your approach, this podcast covers everything you need to know to thrive in a competitive industry. Each episode delves into key investment strategies such as house hacking, midterm rentals, Airbnb, and long-term rent ...
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Episode 162: From Investor to Institution: Level Up Your Property Management Business Today
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23:40In this episode, Spencer Sutton shares a detailed roadmap to institutionalize your real estate investor clients and set yourself apart as a growth-focused industry asset. You'll Learn: How to help your clients form a portfolio-based investment strategy to amplify their efforts (and their need for your services) Why a good rehab based on market data…
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Episode 123: How This Investor Built Their Dream Life With Real Estate | Jennifer Salisbury
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41:18In this episode of The Real Estate Investor Show, Spencer Sutton interviews Dr. Jennifer Salisbury, an accomplished real estate investor, educator, and public speaker. She shares how she's crafted her dream life by design through real estate investments in British Columbia and Hawaii so that your aspirations can become reality, too. Learn more from…
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Spencer Sutton from Evernest Discusses Accidental Landlord Mistakes & The Appreciation vs. Cash Flow Reality Check
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25:27Accidental Landlords, Cash Flow Myths & Why Some Money is Better Than No Money Erin sits down with Spencer Sutton from Evernest (20,000+ properties) to tackle accidental landlords forced into renting due to selling difficulties. They cover overpricing pitfalls, tenant screening mistakes, and why cash flow obsessions often miss the bigger picture of…
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Why Chat GPT Is the WORST Thing That Ever Happened to Real Estate Investors
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12:21In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin Spradlin and James Carlson dive into a critical warning for real estate investors: AI is dangerously unreliable for investment advice. James shares his experiment testing ChatGPT's Colorado Airbnb market knowledge, revealing that over 50% of recommendations were completely illegal—including…
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Episode 122: Why Cash Flow Won’t Make You Rich (But Real Estate Will)
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40:22Jeremy Tallman and Scott Hallberg, owners of T&H Real Estate Services and managers of 1200+ doors, join Spencer Sutton in this episode of The Evernest Real Estate Investor Show. This conversation challenges the conventional wisdom that cash flow is the primary path to wealth in real estate. Instead, we spotlight long-term ownership, leverage, and t…
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Episode 161: Leasing and Fraud: Everything Property Owners Need to Know (Brett Drevlow)
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39:17In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Evernest's Director of Leasing, Brett Drevlow, joins Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker for an in-depth conversation on what's required to lease rental properties in 2025. Brett highlights the importance of overcoming tenant objections, building trust, and using data-driven pricing strategi…
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Pet Fees That Actually Work & Colorado's New Walkthrough Rules Every Landlord Must Know
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17:10In this episode, Erin and James tackle what's a fair pet fee for STR/MTR properties, reveal shocking occupancy data that'll make you rethink your pet policy, and break down Colorado's new tenant walkthrough requirements. Plus, a cultural take on parenting regrets and how honest conversations break taboos in both family planning and real estate. 🐕 P…
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Episode 121: Hard Money Lending 101: What Every Investor Needs to Know (Dan Butler)
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48:44In this episode, Spencer, Adam, and special guest Dan Butler dive deep into the world of real estate investing and hard money lending. Dan shares his journey from cutting grass and boarding up houses in Memphis to building a portfolio of hundreds of rentals, launching Cresco Property Management, and eventually becoming a hard money lender. He talks…
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Episode 160: Can AI Replace Property Managers? (Bryan Jenkins)
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50:45In this episode, Spencer and Matthew sit down with longtime friend and property management veteran Bryan Jenkins, now President of Gentone Property Management. Bryan brings more than 25 years of experience in the industry, from his early days managing corporate housing for Honda executives in Birmingham to building and selling a regional property m…
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The #1 Reason Millennials Buy Homes & Are Americans Going Off-Grid?
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20:55The Real #1 Reason Millennials Buy Homes (It's Not Marriage or Kids) & Are Americans Going Off-Grid? In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin Spradlin and James Carlson kick off with a spirited debate about tennis's controversial underhand serve before diving into surprising homebuying data that puts pets above marriage and kids a…
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Episode 120: How the Wealthy Use 1031 Exchanges to Grow Their Portfolios | Michael Velasco
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41:551031 exchanges are an eternally hot topic in real estate investing - but this tax code can stump even seasoned investors. That's why Michael Velasco, Certified Exchange Specialist® and Qualified Intermediary for Exchangeable, broke down this re-investing strategy with Adam Hobson and Spencer Sutton. Contact Michael by emailing michael@1031exchangea…
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Episode 159: How This PM Company Keeps Churn Low (Scott Hallberg & Jeremy Tallman)
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34:42In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, host Spencer Sutton interviews Jeremy Tallman and Scott Hallberg of T&H Realty Services to learn how these brothers-in-law have kept their rental property owner churn below 15% while managing 1,200 doors. Looking for one-stop shop property management services in Indiana? Get in touch with T&…
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The Four Things Every Accidental Landlord Must Know & Three Lease Clauses That Actually Matter
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29:55The Four Things Every Accidental Landlord Must Know & Three Lease Clauses That Actually Matter In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin Spradlin and James Carlson return from Mexico City with fresh perspectives on accidental landlording—those who never planned to become property managers but find themselves with rentals due to mov…
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Episode 119: Start Investing in Real Estate With Just $100 (Here's How)
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40:21In this episode, co-hosts Adam Hobson and Spencer Sutton chat with Realbricks' Head of Investor Relations, Nick Roman, to learn about fractional real estate investment. Explore Realbricks yourself here or contact Nick at [email protected]. What you'll learn: How to start investing in real estate with just $100 The best way to keep your passi…
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Episode 158: The Six Brutal Truths of Growing Your Property Management Business
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35:08In this episode, Spencer Sutton reveals the six brutal truths that he's learned from growing teams so that you can avoid making critical leadership mistakes that could destroy your property management business. You'll learn: Why you're the hardest direct report to manage What the Circle of Insanity is - and how to regain control How to develop disc…
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The Midterm Rental Trend We Hate Most & Why Family Money for Home Buying Is Actually Good
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18:22In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin Spradlin and James Carlson start with a deep dive into "canon events"—those formative moments that shape us—before tackling two controversial takes: why skipping deposits in midterm rentals is dangerous, and why young buyers using family money isn't something to be ashamed of. They get real…
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Episode 157: The Hidden Cost of Maintenance (Every Property Manager MUST Know)
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44:21Matthew and Gray sit down with Ray Hespen (Property Meld) to unpack why, in today’s market, maintenance execution is one of the biggest levers for NOI. Ray shares fresh data showing how specific maintenance behaviors statistically change renewal rates, why the first 90 days are make-or-break, and how coordinators armed with benchmarks can talk to o…
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Episode 118: From Selling Cars to 75 Deals a Year in Real Estate: Josh Jarboe
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41:45From a vandalized 4×8 roadside sign to a $17K third deal—and eventually 30+ purchases halfway through 2025—Josh Jarbo breaks down the real, unglamorous mechanics of finding, funding, and flipping in a picky-buyer, longer-DOM market. What you’ll learn: From zero to proof of concept: Nine months to the first $3K wholesale check—and why that mattered …
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Who to Trust for Real Estate Advice & Why Housing Costs Are Killing Birth Rates
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21:06In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin Spradlin and James Carlson kick off with a fun "propaganda we're not falling for" segment before diving into serious territory: why young buyers are ditching traditional real estate professionals for YouTube and AI, and how housing affordability is literally reshaping America's future famil…
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Episode 156: Churn, Profit Margins, & Exit Plans: What Every PM Owner Needs to Know | Brad Johnson
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32:38In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, CEO of ProfitCoach Brad Johnson returns to share industry secrets that every property manager should know. Have additional questions? Reach out to Profit Coach on their website or Brad on LinkedIn. You'll Learn: The two most difficult transitions all PMs face when trying to scale How to avoi…
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Episode 117: The Biggest Mistakes Beginners Make Flipping Houses (Real Estate Investing)
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39:41In this episode of The Real Estate Investor Show, Adam Hobson tells Spencer Sutton about the five most common missteps real estate investors make - especially when they first start flipping property. You'll Learn: How wholesaling compares to house flipping Why the ARV (after repair value) is critical to long-term flipping success How to find comps …
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Record Home Delistings and STR Recovery: What the Data Really Means
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19:46AirDNA's 2025 Mid-Year Report: Why Market Predictions Come With a Big Asterisk. On this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin and James dive into AirDNA's mid-year STR market report, which shows steady recovery from the 2023 Airbnb bust with occupancy rates projected to hit just below 56% in 2026—above pre-pandemic averages. While the …
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Episode 155: We've Bought 30+ Property Management Companies... Here's What We Learned
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34:23In this episode, Evernest heavyweights Matthew Whitaker, Spencer Sutton, and Gray Hall discuss the biggest lessons they’ve learned from acquiring more than 30 companies. From unexpected challenges during integration to building the right team and managing owner expectations, this conversation dives deep into what it really takes to grow a business …
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Episode 116: From $1,000 to 500+ Rental Units: How Austin Hughes Built His Real Estate Empire
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43:41Curious about how to start real estate investing from scratch? In this episode, Spencer Sutton and Adam Hobson speak with guest Austin Hughes and learn from his investing journey, which began with just $1,000 and has now scaled to over 500 rental properties.You'll Learn: How Austin started his business with no real estate experience using money won…
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From Tax Breaks to Bitcoin: Policy Changes Every Real Estate Investor Should Know
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20:54On this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin and James break down the return of 100% bonus depreciation for short-term rental investors, now made permanent under the new tax bill. They explain how this powerful tax strategy—often called the "STR loophole"—allows qualifying investors to accelerate depreciation deductions and offset the…
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Episode 154: Here's Where Property Management Companies Lose Money... Watch Out! (Brad Johnson)
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47:34In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, hosts Spencer Sutton and Matthew Whitaker chat with Brad Johnson, CEO of Profit Coach. Their conversation delves into the importance of having a solid financial foundation for property management companies, exploring financial performance, revenue generation, and the significance of ancillar…
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Episode 115: How To Get Deep Discounts on Rental Properties (Step-by-Step)
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33:36One of the best ways to maximize your ROI is to avoid overspending on property purchases. In this episode of The Real Estate Investor Podcast, Spencer Sutton and Adam Hobson share their secrets so you can discover how to buy homes for pennies on the dollar. You'll Learn: How to find motivated sellers (and why being honest about your motivations emp…
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What Real Estate Can Teach You About Marriage (and Vice Versa)
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39:20On this special episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin and James celebrate their ten-year wedding anniversary by exploring the surprising parallels between successful relationships and smart real estate investing. Drawing from their decade of marriage and years of property investment experience, they break down six key principles that g…
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Episode 153: Losing It All in 2008: How He Turned a Failing Business into 470 Doors | Todd Ried
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46:22In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Todd Reid reveals how the 2008 financial crash wiped out his financing, forced mass layoffs, and pushed him into full-time property management. He reveals exactly how he rebuilt from survival mode to a 470-door property management portfolio with actionable steps that any aspiring wealth-buil…
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Episode 114: How To Deal With Squatters In Your Rental Property
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30:24How do you deal with squatters in your rental property? In this episode of The Evernest Real Estate Investor Show, Spencer Sutton and Adam Hobson discuss their squatter stories and the creative ways they dealt with them in their rental properties. You'll Learn: The difference between squatting and non-paying tenants Why squatting is on the rise Out…
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Episode 152: What Happens If Your Bank Fails Today? (PM Owners Need To Know THIS) | Marshall Fulton
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30:52Most property managers think their trust accounts are set up correctly, but many are completely wrong - and that can lead to devastating consequences. In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Marshall Fulton from Enterprise Bank breaks down the truth about trust accounts, FDIC insurance, and so much more. Contact Marshall on his Li…
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Episode 113: Most Investors Buy the WRONG Houses (Do This Instead)
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41:48Which kinds of properties are best for real estate investors? In this episode of The Evernest Real Estate Investor Show, Spencer Sutton and Adam Hobson discuss their approaches to purchasing high ROI investment properties, including the different specs they look for between fix-and-flips vs. long-term rentals. You'll Learn: Where to start when cons…
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The 1% Rule Is Back—And It’s Still Terrible Advice
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19:21Is It a Buyer’s Market or a Seller’s Market? How to Evaluate Your Midterm Rental City On this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Aaron and James dig into one of the most common questions in real estate: is it a buyer’s market or a seller’s market? The answer—like most things in real estate—is more nuanced than you think. Using up-to-date…
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Episode 112: The Best Way to Fund Your First Real Estate Deal (Even with No Money)
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27:28How do you fund your first real estate deal if you don’t have money? In this episode, Spencer Sutton and Adam Hobson break down creative real estate financing strategies used by investors to buy deals without using their own cash. Whether you're flipping houses, buying rentals, or wholesaling, this episode shows how real estate investors finance de…
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Episode 151: Why this PM Owner Has a 4.8-Star Rating with 1,000 Doors (Trent Ratliff)
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48:28In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, property management owner Trent Ratliff tells host Spencer Sutton how he scaled from 200 to 1,000 doors across Atlanta and Montgomery. You'll discover: How Trent accidentally found himself contributing to the 2008 market crash The one decision that changed Trent's life and led to 1,000 doors…
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The $9,000 Mistake Homeowners Keep Making: MLS vs. For Sale By Owner
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14:48In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, we dig into the hidden power of the MLS (Multiple Listing Service)—and why skipping it might be the most expensive mistake a seller can make. James shares a revealing case study comparing two similar homes in Colorado, each using a very different sales strategy. The results highlight what truly …
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Episode 111: How to Find Real Estate Deals in 2025 (Most Investors Don't Know This)
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39:27All successful real estate investors have one thing in common: they land deals. In this episode, Spencer and Adam offer actionable advice on how to start or improve your lead generation efforts - including why 99% of newbies fail (and how to be part of the 1% who win). You’ll Learn: How to find real estate deals for free The importance of persisten…
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Episode 150: Culture > Contracts: Courtney Parks’ Playbook for Growing a Human-Driven PM Business
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49:21In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Spencer Sutton sits down with Courtney Parks, Principal Broker & Director of Operations, Allegiance Property Management, to dive into: How Courtney fell into property management and rose to lead her company What it means to suddenly be the one setting the vision and culture—even when it’s no…
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Airbnb Boom or Bust, Midterm Market Shifts & What a Recession Really Means for Homebuyers
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16:33Airbnb Boom or Bust, Midterm Market Shifts & What a Recession Really Means for Homebuyers In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, Erin and James dive into short-term rental trends, the surprising psychology of recession-era homebuyers, and why your lifestyle (not the market) might be the smartest guide for when to buy. They also open …
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Episode 110: Real Estate Investing Mistakes that Will Cost You Thousands
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30:25In this no-fluff, real-talk episode, Spencer and Adam pull back the curtain on the most common and costly mistakes real estate investors make. Whether you're just starting or scaling your portfolio, this episode will save you serious money, time, and stress. Adam shares battle scars from his first 12 deals, Spencer confesses to his eviction nightma…
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Episode 149: Want to Grow? This is the Way
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56:00In this episode of The Evernest Property Management Show, Spencer and Matthew sit down with longtime friend and recruiter, Dylan Scroggins — Founder of Kalmar Group and property management’s unofficial headhunter. They cover: Why your “founder story” doesn’t matter to an A-player (and what does) The #1 role property managers get wrong when hiring W…
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A Smarter Way to Sell: The New DIY Alternative to FSBO
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23:41Six Months in Mexico, Flat-Fee Listings, and What Our Clients Are Teaching Us About the 2025 Real Estate Market In this episode of The Real Estate Education Podcast, we’re covering three major topics—from expat life to evolving real estate models to real-time client case studies—all focused on helping you make smarter moves in today’s U.S. housing …
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Episode 148: Developing a Killer Sales Team
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41:18What does it really take to build and lead a high-performing property management sales team? In this candid and highly practical episode, Spencer sits down with Evernest’s Director of Sales, Hunter Terryn, to pull back the curtain on what makes a killer Business Development Manager (BDM). From early-stage training and culture-fit assessments to pla…
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Episode 109: The Secret Every Successful Real Estate Investor Knows
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38:38Welcome back to the relaunch of the Evernest Real Estate Investor Podcast! In this raw, no-fluff conversation, Spencer is joined by new co-host Adam Hobson—a real estate investor who literally sold his truck, his guns, and everything short of the kitchen sink just to stay afloat while chasing financial freedom. In this episode, Adam shares how he s…
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Tiny Towns Rise in the United States & Denver's Fastest-Growing Cities Ranked
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14:14What U.S. Cities Are Growing Fastest—and Why Tiny Towns May Be the Smartest Investment in 2025 In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, we explore the fastest and slowest growing cities in the Denver metro area—and zoom out to a national trend reshaping American real estate: the rise of tiny towns. These are U.S. markets with fewer tha…
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Episode 147: What Separates an Average Business Development Manager (BDM) from a Killer BDM?
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38:35In this episode, Spencer and Matthew pull back the curtain on over a decade of hiring, coaching, and managing salespeople in the property management space. With insights from interviewing hundreds (and hiring over 50!) BDMs, they break down the 8 defining characteristics of top performers—from personality profiles and follow-up discipline to local …
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Episode 108: BONUS RE-RELEASE - Investing Strategy From 20 Year Real Estate Vet, Jonathan Mednick
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47:01Spencer and Gray welcome Jonathan Mednick to the Podcast (originally Episode 32). Jonathan is the co-founder of REI Trader, a Birmingham-based investment company. We cover a lot of ground in this episode covering everything from, Why Jonathan chose Birmingham as his home base for building a 100+ rental portfolio Predictions on the housing market fo…
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Condos Falling, Townhomes Climbing—Commissions Shift
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14:46In this episode of the Real Estate Education Podcast, we break down two of the hottest topics in the U.S. housing market right now: the difference between condos and townhomes in today’s market and the real-world impact of the 2024 NAR commission lawsuit on buyers, sellers, and real estate agents across the country. Condos vs. Townhomes – Which att…
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Episode 146: Selling a PM Company in 2025: What’s Changed and What Hasn’t
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28:30Thinking about selling your property management business? Whether you're looking to retire, reduce stress, or cash out at the right time, this episode breaks down what you need to know about selling in today’s market. Spencer and Matthew take you behind the scenes of Evernest’s acquisition strategy and what they look for, red flags that kill deals,…
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Episode 107: BONUS RE-RELEASE - Buying Your First, Second, Third, or Fourth Rental Property? Here's the Process.
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23:16In this episode (originally Episode 51), Spencer and Gray discuss the process of buying your first (or fourth) rental property and what you need to know before you purchase. The four steps they cover include: Setting your target Connect with local market experts Analyze deals and get under contract Due diligence period =============================…
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