Launched by agency DrawHistory, Undesign is a collection of conversations untangling today’s big social challenges. With our host Kosta Lucas, we speak directly and frankly about wicked problems with guests from influential global brands to fierce grassroots movements. Learn more at drawhistory.com.
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Annotations Part 3: The Reckoning (2022-2025)
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1:19:03About Annotations Annotations is a raw and reflective three-part audio series about building — and ultimately evolving and letting go of — one of Australia’s early purpose-led strategy and design studios, DrawHistory. Co-founders Jeffrey Effendi and Angel Chen open the vault on a decade of navigating ambitions, doubts, and decisions with former tea…
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Annotations Part 2: The Stretch (2018-2021)
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49:04About Annotations Annotations is a raw and reflective three-part audio series about building — and ultimately evolving and letting go of — one of Australia’s early purpose-led strategy and design studios, DrawHistory. Co-founders Jeffrey Effendi and Angel Chen open the vault on a decade of navigating ambitions, doubts, and decisions with former tea…
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Annotations Part 1: The Leap (2015-2017)
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1:10:00About Annotations Annotations is a raw and reflective three-part audio series about building — and ultimately evolving and letting go of — one of Australia’s early purpose-led strategy and design studios, DrawHistory. Co-founders Jeffrey Effendi and Angel Chen open the vault on a decade of navigating ambitions, doubts, and decisions with former tea…
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How can Indigenous wisdom guide how we live and work? (Four Arrows & Darcia Narvaez)
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1:06:27With world leaders responding to climate emergencies, and unprecedented threats such as the pandemic and global conflict, we seem to be running headlong into a future where our learnings from the past are both too slow and too small. Have we been too attentive and attached to the wrong things, are we suffering from problems of our own unenlightened…
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What does the future of morality look like? (Tim Dean)
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1:11:53In a world of rapidly evolving expectations on citizens due to COVID, environmental pressures, and the very public role playing of morality and ethics on social media, people face a dizzying space in which to set and attune their own moral compass. Unpicking this challenge, Dr Tim Dean, Senior Philosopher at The Ethics Centre, discusses how moralit…
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How do we design social media platforms that are safer for marginalized youth? (Ben Hanckel & Shiva Chandra)
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55:18In 2022, as public institutions continue to grapple with implementing more inclusive structures to curb historical marginalization of people, experts such as Dr Benjamin Hanckel (Senior Research Fellow, Digital Health and Youth) and Dr Shiva Chandra (Research Officer) are exploring ways to make social media platforms safer for marginalized youth—bo…
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Are “intentional communities” the safest way for communities to exist online? (Lillian 'FlexMami' Ahenkan)
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1:04:59The expectations and variety of roles that social media influencers play have increased exponentially, mirrored by increasing scrutiny and policing of how their behaviour plays out amongst their communities and followers. The shifting expectations of followers on influencers has prompted a reappraisal of the status quo by those such as Lillian Ahen…
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How do we harness the power of video games for good? (Galen Lamphere-Englund)
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55:23The world of gaming has long been highlighted as a hotbed of cultivation of extremist actors and activities, but more recently it's also started to be recognised as a platform where early intervention of extremism and encouragement of democracy and tolerance can be fostered. Alongside Galen Lamphere-Englund, Senior Advisor, Preventing Violent Extre…
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COVID-19 and the enforcement of safety: Do mandates work? (Katie Attwell)
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59:17Our host, Kosta Lucas speaks with Dr Katie Attwell, Senior Lecturer in the School of Social Sciences at The University of Western Australia (UWA). Dr Attwell leads the large interdisciplinary research project “Coronavax: Preparing Community and Government” with colleagues from UWA and Telethon Kids Institute. ‘Vax’ was the Oxford word of the year i…
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How has technology influenced the way we date and the stigmatization of online dating? (Part 2) (Lucille McCart)
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52:32How does the person who admits to hating the concept of marriage proposals see the future of online dating? In this episode, we speak to Lucille McCart, APAC Communications Director of Bumble, who candidly speaks with us about how and why online dating has grown and evolved on apps such as Bumble since the first COVID lockdowns began. She steps us …
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How can we harness the power of data in the quest for gender justice? (Anisha Asundi)
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56:07What does the Boston Symphony Orchestra installing curtains for auditions back in 1952 have to do with gender justice in 2022? And why could the rigour of data capture and analysis hold the key to undoing unconscious bias in the community, and specifically in the workplace? Anisha Asundi, Research Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School, talks to us a…
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How has technology influenced the way we date and the stigmatization of online dating? (Part I) (Lauren Rosewarne)
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53:06If you’ve seen shows such as the Tinder Swindler, Inventing Anna or The One, it would be easy to believe that technology enabled romance is rife with danger and subterfuge. Yet despite popular culture’s fixation with the risks of online dating, it has been the bread and butter of current personal relationships for years. So why is it still often hi…
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How do you create a social change podcast? (Angel Chen and Jeffrey Effendi) (Epilogue)
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37:50On this episode of Undesign, we look back on our inaugural first season with host Kosta Lucas and DrawHistory founders Angel Chen and Jeffrey Effendi to share podcast learnings and insights from behind the scenes, as well as opportunities and pitfalls for aspiring podcasters seeking to make change in the world around them.…
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How can technology be inclusive for everyone, everywhere? (Garen Checkley) (Special)
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59:12Joining Undesign on this special surprise episode to discuss inclusive technology is Garen Checkley, Product Manager at Google's Next Billion Users initiative. Garen shares plenty of insightful stories on Google’s mission to make technology helpful for everyone, everywhere, from their new research on building voice-first products, to an important r…
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How do we move beyond the 'black tile' in the fight for racial justice? (Fadzi Whande)
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1:05:13Joining us on Undesign’s Season One finale to talk racial justice, online activism, and active allyship is our guest, Fadzi Whande. Fadzi is currently the Senior Programme Officer (Diversity and Inclusion Adviser) at the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). She is also the Founding Director of the Whande Group, a…
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What surprise special episode is coming soon? (Announcement)
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2:10We drop by with two quick announcements we're excited to share. While we originally planned for 8 interviews this season, we have a special bonus episode with Google next week to talk about their Next Billion Users initiative on making technology inclusive for everyone, everywhere! Also, Undesign is up for the 2021 People's Choice Podcast Awards. T…
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What can genuine Indigenous empowerment look like? (Luke Pearson)
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1:19:00Talking to us on this episode of Undesign is our guest, Luke Pearson. Luke is a Gamilaraay man who founded IndigenousX, a digital “pass the mic” platform for upcoming Indigenous writers, creatives and thought leaders to take back control over their stories and their voices. For more, go to DrawHistory's website: drawhistory.com/undesignpodcast/.…
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How do we use social media to influence good? (Nadir Nahdi)
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1:00:42On this episode of Undesign, we discuss using social media for social good with Nadir Nahdi. Nadir is the founder of BENI, a multi-platform space for a truly multicultural, pluralist, digital community to emerge, as well as a YouTube Creators for Change Ambassador. This episode is a personal, introspective chat where hard truths emerge. For more, g…
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Can digital activism create enduring change? (Emmy Suzuki Harris)
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57:28On this episode of Undesign, we are joined by Emmy Suzuki Harris. Emmy is the Asia Regional Director for the Change.org Foundation, the philanthropic initiative of Change.org. We dive into some of the questions that she and her team spend everyday trying to better understand, from what makes a campaign successful to assessing the effectiveness of p…
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Is nationalism distorting our sense of identity? (Dr Farida Fozdar)
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1:15:22On this episode of Undesign, we dive deeper into nationalism and its impacts on our identity with Dr Farida Fozdar. Farida is a distinguished sociologist with The University of Western Australia who has published over a hundred journal articles, chapters, books and reports on these fundamental questions of how diverse communities (and people) form …
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Is sustainable tourism a zero-sum game? (Edmund Morris)
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50:46On this episode of Undesign, we unpack travel and tourism with Edmund Morris. Edmund is a well-travelled and experienced international economic development professional, currently Founder at Equator Analytics and formerly an economist with USAID. For more, go to DrawHistory's website: drawhistory.com/undesignpodcast/. Special thanks to Kai from Cur…
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Why is participating in free knowledge important? (Zack McCune)
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1:06:28On this episode of Undesign, we discuss free knowledge and open-source culture with Zack McCune — diving deep in everything that entails, from edit wars to the legacy of former President Trump. Zack is the Director of Brand for Wikipedia and various projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, arguably the most well-known, global mobilization of the free …
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How does counterspeech prevent online extremism? (Dr Erin Saltman)
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1:09:14On this episode of Undesign, we discuss online extremism and counterspeech with Dr Erin Saltman. Erin is an experienced researcher and practitioner who is the current Director of Programming for the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism (GIFCT). She was also formerly Facebook’s Head of Counterterrorism and Dangerous Organizations Policy for Eu…
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How can we untangle the world's problems and redesign them? (Trailer)
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2:45Launched by social change agency DrawHistory, Undesign is a collection of conversations untangling today’s big social challenges. With our host Kosta Lucas, we speak directly and frankly about wicked problems with guests from leading global brands to fierce grassroots movements. For more, go to DrawHistory's website: drawhistory.com/undesignpodcast…
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