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Divergent States

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Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, skeptical conversations. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest forum dedicated to the safe use of psychedelics, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show examines the science, culture, and contradictions shaping the psychedelic landscape. No mysticism. No marketing. Just data, lived experience, and hard questions. We explore how psychedelics impact mental health, ...
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Dennis McKenna joins 3L1T3 and Valerie Beltran to discuss the future of psychedelics, indigenous knowledge, and whether we are ready to bring these tools into mainstream culture without repeating the extractive patterns of the past. We explore the gap between good intentions and real reciprocity, what Western psychedelic enthusiasm is missing, and …
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In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Betty Aldworth, the new co-president of MAPS, as she steps into shared leadership with Ismail Ali following Rick Doblin’s four-decade run. Betty brings decades of experience in drug policy reform, from Colorado’s 2012 cannabis legalization campaign to leading Students for Sensible Drug Polic…
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Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy reform, and rewiring global supply chains to be fair, transparent, and regenerative. We trace the lineage from Rainbow Gatherings to Burning Man, from hemp…
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Psychedelics are no longer the fringe—they’re reshaping medicine, culture, and consciousness itself. In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Joe Moore, co-founder and CEO of Psychedelics Today, to explore the messy evolution of the movement: from the chaotic 1960s to today’s corporate clinics and grassroots revival. They …
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Comedian, musician, and improvisational genius Reggie Watts joins Divergent States for an unfiltered deep dive into psychedelics, creativity, and consciousness. From jamming on LSD and mushrooms to experimenting with dissociatives and even the Apple Vision Pro, Reggie opens up about how altered states shape his art, comedy, music, and worldview. We…
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History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward? In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of psychedelics and politics. MDMA remains a Schedule I drug—classified as dangerous with no medical use—while at the same time advancing through FDA Phase…
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In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Kabir Nath, CEO of Compass Pathways, and Dr. Steve Levine, Chief Patient Officer, to talk about the future of psychedelic medicine. From FDA approval and insurance coverage to patient access, cultural safety, and patents, we dig into whether Compass is truly disrupting the pharma model or just r…
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In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan sit down with Paul F. Austin, founder of The Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. We dive deep into microdosing psychedelics, intentional use for peak performance, and the rise of psychedelic coaching as a professional path. Paul shares insights from his book Mastering …
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Amber Capone, co-founder and CEO of Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), shares the powerful story of how psychedelic therapy - starting with Ibogaine - helped her husband, Navy SEAL Marcus Capone, recover from PTSD and TBI when traditional care failed. We dive into the science and controversy behind Ibogaine, the limits of VA mental heal…
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What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation? In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard: chemist, philosopher, author of The Rose of Paracelsus, and the man once called the “Acid King.” After decades behind bars, Pickard returns with reve…
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In this episode, 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist and founder of Remedy, whose research pushes MDMA therapy beyond the individual — into the space between two people. We explore what happens when couples facing PTSD enter treatment together, why trauma rarely belongs to just one partner, and whether psychedelic medicine c…
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A former U.S. Senator says the federal government is preparing to fast-track psychedelic medicines, especially for veterans with TBI, PTSD, addiction, and treatment-resistant depression. In this conversation, Kyrsten Sinema explains why the current administration is unusually aligned behind plant-based therapies, how Ibogaine and MDMA could move th…
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UMG and Def Jam are censoring artists who associate with Drake's rivals, exemplified by their demand to remove Kendrick Lamar's verse from Clipse's upcoming album despite it reportedly not containing any direct disses. • Clipse's album "Let God Sort Them Out" has been delayed after label demands to censor or remove Kendrick's verse • Pusha T and No…
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Reggie breaks down the highly anticipated June hip-hop releases including Lil Wayne's Carter 6, Clips' comeback, and Young Thug's potential album while examining why some releases might not happen despite the rumors. • Lil Wayne's Carter 6 features a surprising lineup including Billie Eilish, MGK and Miley Cyrus • Mannie Fresh released "The Mix Bef…
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We dive deep into the recent "Royal Rumble" battle between East and West Coast rappers, examining the 93 diss tracks dropped by over 40 artists sparked by Joey Badass's "The Ruler is Back." • Breaking down the main players: Joey Badass, Rayvon, and Daylight • Analyzing why this battle ended in a draw rather than having a clear winner • How the Red …
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This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — what’s new, what’s different, and why it’s shaping up to be more than just another gathering. From navigating hype vs. science to MAPS’ comms strategy, K…
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Brothers Troy and Reggie Smith reunite for a special edition of Chatterboxing, exploring their shared history and the different paths they've taken in life. Their candid conversation reveals how sibling influence shapes our journeys and how learning to ask for help might be the key to going farther. • Troy expresses pride in Reggie's accomplishment…
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Dody and Reggie deliver another round of unfiltered commentary on the latest developments in hip-hop, movies, and culture while testing a new recording setup. • Honest review of "Sinners" – acknowledging it's good but overhyped online • Discussion of Ryan Coogler's Black Panther legacy and rumors of his potential X-Men reboot • Breakdown of Kendric…
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In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfiltered realities of healing, addiction recovery, and the evolving landscape of psychedelic-assisted therapy. Tom brings two decades of sobriety, a past li…
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What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut? In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Project, to unpack 7 core principles for navigating psychedelic states with intention, safety, and compassion. We break down everything from testing you…
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Reggie flies solo this Easter Sunday to reflect on the one-year anniversary of the Drake-Kendrick beef and examine how both artists are handling the aftermath differently. • Drake continually expands his UMG lawsuit to now include the NFL and Fox while Kendrick incorporates diss tracks into his GNX Tour • The St. Lunatics lawsuit against Nelly over…
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Reggie and Dody explore the unexpected origins of iconic hip-hop sounds, discovering Art of Noise's 1984 track "Moments in Love" as one of the blackest-sounding songs not made by Black artists. The duo brings their signature wit and expertise to dive deep into hip-hop culture across generations. • Art of Noise's "Moments in Love" has been sampled c…
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In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms. Alli shares her journey into microdosing advocacy, the challenges of navigating the gray market for psychedelics, and the urgent push for policy ref…
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Hip hop is at a crossroads as we examine the one-year anniversary of J Cole's apology and how the beef between Drake and Kendrick has reshaped the landscape of the genre. We explore what makes an artist "lyrical" versus "commercial" and why both styles deserve respect in today's diverse hip hop ecosystem. • The resurgence of party and dance music w…
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Dody and Reggie explore the surprising depth and variety in their music libraries, from Skrilla's street anthems to Mumford & Sons' folk rock, revealing how our musical tastes reflect our life experiences and identities. • Musical diversity and how our backgrounds shape what we listen to • Discussion of Young Scooter's passing and the circumstances…
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We dive deep into the philosophy of personal style and debate whether expensive designer clothes and shoes are worth the hype. Finding your own unique look without breaking the bank is about creativity and confidence, not price tags. • Anthony Mackie's controversial stance on not buying Jordans for his kids sparks a debate on values and priorities …
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In this deeply personal and eye-opening episode, we sit down with filmmaker JR Sawyers, the mind behind the indie psychedelic drama A Trip Elsewhere. What begins as a conversation about a film turns into a powerful exploration of transformation, healing, and consciousness. JR opens up about the psychedelic retreat that changed his life, the emotion…
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We reflect on mortality as we watch people our age pass away from health issues rather than street violence. This stark realization forces us to consider our own health habits and preventative measures as we approach our 40s. • LeBron James reaching 50,000 career points and why his achievements stand regardless of GOAT debates • The confrontation b…
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In this powerful episode of Divergent States, we’re joined by Valerie Beltran and Chelsea Rose-Pires of the Zendo Project- an organization redefining harm reduction and compassionate care at festivals, events, and beyond. We explore how the Zendo Project began as a MAPS initiative and evolved into its own nonprofit dedicated to supporting people th…
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A powerful remembrance episode reflecting on the life and legacy of Angie Stone. We share personal stories and the influence her music has had on us and our listeners. The conversation highlights the resilience inherent in both Angie’s art and our individual journeys. • Tribute to Angie Stone’s musical legacy • Personal reflections on life changes …
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We explore the intersection of music sales and artistry, questioning how industry metrics impact our connection to the music we love. This discussion challenges traditional views on what it means to be a true fan and the importance of separating commercial success from artistic merit. • Understanding how album sales create pressure on artists • The…
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We reflect on the passage of time, the impact of technology on communication, and the lessons learned from both childhood and parenting. In heartfelt discussions, we also explore how music shapes our identities and relationships, particularly through a review of Don Trip’s latest album. • Sharing childhood stories and awkward moments • The challeng…
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In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Dylalien: psychedelic DJ, producer, schoolteacher, and longtime organizer of Goa Gil’s legendary all-night, open-air ritual dance parties. You’ve heard his music on this podcast, but in this conversation, we go deep on what it means to create and participate in psychedelic music culture at its most …
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The episode delves into the concept of "industry plants" and discusses its implications, particularly focusing on the artist Dolce's rise to fame. It seeks to distinguish between genuine talent and artificially manufactured success in the music industry while challenging common misconceptions surrounding this contentious term. • Discussion on the c…
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This episode explores the evolving landscape of hip-hop, from classic diss tracks and nostalgic performances to Kendrick Lamar's recent Super Bowl appearance. We dive into how the industry's marketing machine impacts artists and the way audiences perceive them over time. • Discussing Super Bowl performances and their cultural significance • Analyzi…
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In this profound episode of Divergent States, we welcome Wendy Tucker, daughter of Ann Shulgin and stepdaughter of the legendary Sasha Shulgin, the "Godfather of Ecstasy." Wendy shares intimate stories of growing up at the iconic Shulgin Farm, working alongside Sasha in his lab, and her mission to preserve their legacy through the Shulgin Foundatio…
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The episode explores Kendrick Lamar's thought-provoking halftime show at the Super Bowl and the Eagles' victory over the Chiefs, offering a reflective critique of both events. The hosts discuss the cultural implications of Kendrick's artistry while also delving into social media reactions and the evolution of the halftime show in hip-hop culture. •…
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In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), for a raw, unscripted conversation on the future of psychedelic therapy, the dangers of hype, and the deeply personal reasons behind his decades-long mission. We go deep into: Why MDMA was criminalized and how …
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Ever wondered how the balance between authenticity and financial gain plays out in the world of celebrity endorsements? Picture this: Snoop Dogg, cryptocurrencies, and novelty coins all in one conversation. We share our thoughts on podcast listening habits and how societal perceptions shift with financial opportunities. Laughter ensues as we touch …
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In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Joshua White, founder and executive director of the Fireside Project, a nonprofit creating a revolutionary model of psychedelic support through free, real-time emotional care and integration coaching. What happens when someone takes too much LSD and needs someone to talk to—right now? What if someon…
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Hamilton Morris joins Divergent States to unpack a bizarre twist in the drug war: the DEA is using Reddit posts and trip reports as courtroom “evidence.” What happens when harm-reduction advice and half-baked comments are weaponized to criminalize psychedelics? And how do communities like r/Psychonaut survive in that climate? In this wide-ranging c…
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