The Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n OD podcast, hosted by Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford, is for Human Resources and Organizational Development change-makers committed to bold work in an era that calls for the skills, values and partnership of these two disciplines. Bob and Joyce are former HR and OD C-suite executives who share their successes, failures, and hacks. They believe that it's an exciting time for this work and give specifics around acquisitions, policy nightmares, and grand mome ...
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We all want to live a sustainable life, but where do we start? Flanigan's Eco-Logic, hosted by Ted Flanigan, provides information and insights in sustainability and the clean energy space. Flanigan’s enthusiasm and vast experience in the energy and environmental arena are palpable, whether bringing cutting-edge developments to the fore, or interviewing and engaging with leading practitioners. This show is for those who want a sustainable life but don’t know where to start.
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In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore a simple yet powerful technique called “I want…”—a way to name our desires and aspirations out loud. As we cross the 200-episode milestone, we turn inward to uncover what we truly want from our work, and in doing so, open up new possibilities. This candid conversation gets up close and personal, surprising even…
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Bob Freling on the Solar Electric Light Fund
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31:49Bob Freling has been the Executive Director of the Solar Electric Light Fund (SELF) since 1997. Its mission is to design, fund, and implement solar energy solutions to benefit those in poor communities without access to the electricity grid, helping others to overcome energy poverty. SELF provides energy access in the developing world and has an im…
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Episode 200: Episode 200 – Time to Reflect, Celebrate, and Appreciate
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15:43Today marks a major milestone—our 200th episode! For over four years, we’ve shown up every Tuesday morning, come rain or shine. This ritual has been our anchor, carrying us through both the highs and the lows. Lately, we’ve been talking a lot about finding an “island of sanity” in turbulent times. In many ways, this podcast has been ours—a space to…
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Geoff Stapleton on Australian and Pacific Island Solar
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38:21Geoff Stapleton is considered "a force" in the solar industry, particularly in Australia and the Pacific Islands. So far, he has worked in 39 countries supporting solar... introducing standards and training to validate and shore up the solar industry. His work has been widely recognized, culminating recently in his recognition and award of the "Ord…
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Julia Kintsch on Developing Wildlife Crossings
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32:23In this episode of Flanigan's Eco-Logic, Ted interviews Julia Kintsch, the Principal and Senior Ecologist at Eco-Resolutions. Julia grew up in Boulder, Colorado where she was ingrained with a deep love of nature. She went to University of Colorado at Boulder and earned a degree in Environmental Conservation. Then, after serving in the Peace Corps i…
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Episode 199: Thriving in Chaos: It's Happening to All of Us
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18:46In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce dive into what it takes for organizations to stay grounded when chaos and uncertainty are no longer the exception—they’re the backdrop. As global and local challenges intensify, leaders face a new mandate: create environments where people can stay resilient, think creatively, and feel safe enough to perform at their be…
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John Belizaire on Renewably Powered Artificial Intelligence
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36:24John Belizaire heads up a company called Soluna. It's business model is to tap curtailed renewable capacity -- wind and solar -- and to use this previously wasted energy to power data centers. John explains that 30 - 40% of all wind and solar farms is curtailed... essentially "stranded " capacity. By utilizing this renewable energy is it monetized.…
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Episode 198: Michelle Griffin Ph.D.: Building a Business and a Life That Works
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48:00In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michelle Griffin, CEO and founder of Griffin Resources—an entrepreneur who truly has the "right stuff." Whether you're a seasoned business owner or just starting out, Michelle’s story is a masterclass in growing a thriving business without sacrificing your life. Michelle brings a rare blend of strategic insight…
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Crash Course on Combusting Green Hydrogen Hosted by Sierra Flanigan
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31:23In this Crash Course, hosted by Sierra Flanigan, she and her father, Ted Flanigan, dig into the key issue related to the combustion of green hydrogen in peaker power plants. Ted learned of the adverse impact of burning hydrgoen last year from his friend and colleague, Jonathan Parfrey, Executive Director of Climate Resolve. Together they wrote a wh…
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Episode 197: 🎙 Resiliency Face-Off, Part 2: Spoiler—Ours Wins
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32:46In this second part of our resiliency deep dive, Bob ‘n Joyce take a close look at MIT Sloan’s latest take on what makes a culture truly resilient. Do we agree with their insights? Mostly. But spoiler alert: we still like our list better. We break down the key conditions MIT Sloan says drive resiliency and stack them up against our lived experience…
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Cecily DeAngelo on Wildlife Crossings and Civic Duty
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31:55Cecily DeAngelo read an article in the New York Times about wildlife crossings, and ever since, she has been laser-focused on developing wildlife crossings in the Roaring Fork Valley of Colorado. She grew up there and has witnessed first hand the carnage along Pitkin County's roadways... dead bears, deer, elk, rabbits, and more and more moose. Thes…
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Catherine Sands on Food Policy and Justice
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33:40In this episode of Flanigan's Eco-Logic, Ted welcomes Catherine Sands, Director of Fertile Ground, to the podcast. After years of working in development and promoting special fund-raising concerts for Natural Resources Defense Council, Catherine moved north from New York City to the Berkshires of Massachusetts to raise a family and live closer to t…
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Episode 196: The Resilience Face-Off: Street Smarts Meets Sloan MIT Smarts
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19:52In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how to create and sustain organizational resiliency—a must-have competency in today’s fast-changing business world. We kick things off with a little game we call “learning.” First, we share our personal and professional takes on what makes a workplace truly resilient. Then, in the next episode, we’ll check in…
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Grant Gunnison on Zero Homes' Model for Decarbonizing Homes
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31:04Grant Gunnison is the founder and CEO of Zero Homes, a Denver-based firm that specializes in electrification of homes in Colorado, Minnesota, Illinois, and California. Grant gave up his post-MIT work at NASA and returned to Colorado to run his family's construction business, shifting its focus to tackle climate change. He recognized the need to de…
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Episode 195: Flugidity Revisited: Why We’re Still Talking About Structure vs. Flexibility Back by popular demand… or maybe just our own curiosity.
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11:34After we hit “stop” on our last episode, Tight Ship or Jazz Band?, we realized the conversation wasn’t over. The tension between discipline and flexibility kept tugging at us — and stirred up a few stories (and laughs) we hadn’t yet shared. So we’re back, diving deeper into the power and pitfalls of routine, the magic of improvisation, and why find…
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Susan Gladwin on Clean Energy Capital and Creativity
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32:16In this episode of Flanigan's Eco-Logic, Ted interviews Susan Gladwin. She's just finished a 2.5 year role in the U.S. Department of Energy's Loan Programs Office (LPO). The office, under the leadership of Jigar Shah, had an amplified mandate to foster innovative companies launching energy innovations. The Inflation Reduction Act boosted the LPO's…
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In this episode of Flanigan's Eco-Logic, Ted interviews Stephan Crawford, the founder and executive producer of ClimateMusic. Stephan is a San Francisco-based fine artist who in 2014 developed ClimateMusic. Frustrated by the lack of action to combat the very real threat of the climate emergency, Stephan brought together musicians with science expe…
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Episode 194: Tight Ship or Jazz Band? Finding Balance in Today’s Workplace
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25:15Bob ‘n Joyce riff on how much structure is too much — and when it’s time to improvise. In this episode, they dive into the ongoing tug-of-war between discipline and flexibility — habits that create stability vs. the adaptability that sparks innovation. Once upon a time, businesses prized routine, rituals, and predictability. But in today’s fast-mov…
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Harvey Michaels on Grid Optimization for Societal Benefit
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35:34Harvey Michaels is a Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan Business School lecturer. He teaches a popular course on Energy Management and Artificial Intelligence. He is also the Director of MIT's Clean Heat Transition Project. In this episode of Flanigan's Eco-Logic Ted and Harvey reflect on his career in energy management, for years at the f…
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Bernadette Del Chiaro on the Benefits of Distributed Solar
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35:16Bernadette Del Chiaro has a new job. She has left her longstanding and most effective role as the Executive Director of the California Solar and Storage Association, and joined the Environmental Working Group (EWG) as a senior vice president. She makes clear that she is not leaving the fight for distributed solar and storage. The attack on net ene…
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Episode 193: Beyond Ping Pong Tables: How to Build a Culture of Care
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18:05In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore what it really takes to create a workplace where people thrive — and it’s a lot more than free snacks and ping pong tables. They dive into the idea of on-site wellness centers, where employees can unplug, recharge, and access real support. Imagine a workplace that offers: ✅ Manicures and massage therapy ✅ On-si…
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Joel Cesare Decarbonizing Building Portfolios with AI
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32:47In this episode, Ted interviews Joel Cesare, a longstanding friend,colleague, and sustainability champion, who has just begun a new job at Cambio, a firm that has an AI platform designed for portfolios of real estate. Joel explains how Cambio's platform supports all manner of data-intensive property management functions, including building decarbon…
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Episode 192: The Chosen Few: A Talent Strategy That’s Holding You Back
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22:22In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce explore the common practice of relying on the same group of people—time and again—to get important work done. Joyce calls them the “spoiled brats,” while Bob refers to them as the “usual suspects” or “chosen ones.” The problem? This habit unintentionally sidelines the talent in waiting—the wild cards and up-and-comers—…
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Steve Lewis on Rebuilding Community after the Eaton Fire
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35:00Flanigan's Eco-Logic features Steve Lewis for the third time... this time delving into his own deeply disturbing experience, as his neighborhood was ravaged by the Eaton Fire in early January. It wiped out much of his home town of Alta Dena, California... killing 17 people and destroying some 9,000 homes and business properties. There were heavy wi…
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Episode 191: Creating Islands of Sanity in the Chaos – Part 2
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29:53In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce pick up where they left off in episode 185, diving deeper into how leaders can navigate turbulent and unsettling times with intention and heart. The key? Leaders must first ground themselves before engaging in conversations about what the business needs to move forward. But how do you get grounded? Where do you star…
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Paul Mann is the founder of Water Champions, an engineering and design firm specializing in the efficient and smart use of water. He joins Ted Flanigan to discuss how this came about, and what each of us can do to be water smart. During Covid, Paul and his wife experienced California drought and fires, and began to realize the enormous importance o…
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Episode 190: Getting Unstuck with Ernesto Gómez Arzapalo – OD Expert, Author, Academic, Entrepreneur... and All-Around Great Human
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40:46In this episode, Bob 'n Joyce sit down with someone who really knows how to spark transformation from the inside out—Ernesto Gómez Arzapalo. He’s worn a lot of hats—OD consultant, c-suite exec, academic, serial entrepreneur—and somehow manages to still be one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet. Ernesto brings the kind of wisdom you only get from d…
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Josh Dorfman on Sustainable Building Materials
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31:47In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Josh Dorfman, CEO at Supercool, a media company covering climate solutions that raise profits and quality of life. Josh is also the host of the Supercool Podcast, and co-founder of Plantd, a company that manufactures carbon-negative building materials. He is best known as creator and host of Th…
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Drew Slater on Delaware's Sustainable Energy Utility
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33:43In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Drew Slater, Executive Director Energize Delaware. The Delaware Sustainable Energy Utility is a non-profit that gives energy-efficiency grants and low-interest loans to qualified borrowers, helping them install solar energy systems or make energy efficiency upgrades. Energize Delaware programs …
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Episode 189: Letting Employees Go – Do It Right or Pay the Price
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16:36In this episode, Bob and Joyce explore the critical importance of handling employee terminations the right way. When done poorly, these moments don’t just affect the individuals involved—they send shockwaves through the entire organization, damaging culture and trust. The conversation is sparked by the troubling trend of mass layoffs via impersonal…
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Jim Gromer on Thermal Energy Storage Solutions
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30:37In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Jim Gromer, Chief Marketing Officer (CMO) at Thermal Banc/TESS Energy Solutions, a collaborative effort of companies building thermal energy storage solutions - turning waste heat into clean energy. Thermal Banc makes up the sales wing, TESS Energy Solutions the engineering wing, Smart Phases t…
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Episode 188: OD Challenge: Who Do We Choose to Be?
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16:37In this episode, Bob and Joyce reflect on the evolving role of HR and OD amidst today’s profound global disruptions. Drawing inspiration from Meg Wheatley—author and organizational wellness expert—we explore the concept of creating islands of sanity in a world where many feel isolated, ignored, or overwhelmed. We discuss practical ways to build str…
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In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Yin Chen, CEO and Chairman at Greenworks, a supplier of battery-powered outdoor power equipment (OPE) since 2003. With over 20 years at the forefront of home, yard, and do-it-yourself electric tools, Greenworks is redefining durability and eco-friendliness in the face of climate challenges, del…
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Episode 187: Where Science Meets OD Practice – A Conversation with Dr. Rob Lion
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48:04In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Dr. Rob Lion, a strategist, professor, and expert in workplace culture, leadership development, and performance improvement. With a passion for helping students, business leaders, and HR/OD practitioners grow and thrive, Rob blends academic rigor with real-world experience to create sustainable, high-performanc…
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Mark Swanson on Rooftop Wind Energy Systems
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30:35In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Mark Swanson, newly appointed as the CEO of Aeromine Technologies, the innovative rooftop wind energy system that converts a building’s wind flow into renewable energy. Swanson brings 30 years of leadership experience to Aeromine. For the last 12 years, he has held leadership positions in the r…
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Episode 186: Brace for Impact: How to Survive Workplace Change
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19:32In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce dive into how people react to change—especially in the workplace. If you’re a change agent or work in organizational development, you won’t be surprised by resistance to change. But what may surprise you are the practical steps you can take to minimize chaos and increase the chances of success. With most organizatio…
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In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Martin Mayorga, Founder and CEO of Mayorga Organics, a coffee company with the purpose of leading a revolutionary organic food movement that empowers farmers and consumers, protects the environment, and celebrates Latin American heritage. Martin's journey has been fueled by a passion for social…
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Episode 185: Speaking Up or Staying Silent? Leadership in a Polarized World
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24:02In this episode, we tackle a conversation we’d rather avoid—but know we must have. How can leaders create the conditions for constructive dialogue in divisive times? Do they take a stand based on their company’s vision, values, and business needs, even if it alienates some? Or do they stay silent, wary of the risks in today’s political climate? We …
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Kate Reimann on Combating Plastic Pollution
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29:22In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Kate Reimann, Founder and CEO of Rogue Wave Toys and Rogue Wave Materials. Rogue Wave Toys are made of compostable plastic based on biopolymers and plant based materials. She is making waves as an entrepreneur and sustainability champion, bringing eight years of industry experience, and a lifet…
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Joel Peterson on Higher Education Leadership
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33:41In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Dr. Joel Peterson, Vice Chancellor and Executive Operations Officer for the San Diego Community College District, overseeing one of California's largest community college systems. Prior to his career in higher education, he served in various roles in the private sector with major corporations w…
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Episode 184: Lead with Intention: Make Every Moment Count
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24:25In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce explore the power of deliberate and intentional leadership. Too often, we miss opportunities to maximize our impact by reacting impulsively to the chaos around us. Instead of leading with purpose, we get swept up in the moment. Leading with intention means consciously choosing our words and actions to shape outcomes ra…
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Episode 183: Lead Like a Person, Not a Position - A Conversation with Mark Carpenter
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35:56In today’s episode, Bob ‘n Joyce welcome Mark Carpenter, author and leadership consultant, to discuss his work helping leaders bring their full humanity to work. Mark’s leadership premise is that there are leadership positions and there are leaders and that the two should not be confused. They may coexist together but too often they don’t. Mark hel…
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Jennifer Bousselot on Rooftop Agrovoltaics
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31:25In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Dr. Jennifer Bousselot, Assistant Professor at Colorado State University (CSU) in the Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture. Jennifer is exploring new and innovative ways to improve the productivity and aesthetics of modern urban spaces by harnessing the twin powers of the sun a…
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In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Michael Ware, Senior Solar Specialist at EcoMotion Inc. Michael provides expertise in solar system site inspection. He is adept at measuring roof potential and modeling the cost-effectiveness of solar investments. His financial analyses include particular attention to electricity load profiles …
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Episode 182: Rethinking Leadership: The 5 Must-have Qualities for Today’s World
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24:22In this episode, Bob ‘n Joyce discuss the findings of a Strategy + Business Newsletter article on the 5 qualities that leaders must possess to succeed in today’s world. These qualities imply a shift from the metrics of efficiency and performance to managing the more intangible aspects of the business such as governance, environmental impact, and a …
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Ted and Sierra Flanigan's Clean Energy Crash Course: Energy Resilience
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31:55In this episode of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, father-daughter duo, Ted and Sierra Flanigan host the clean energy crash course focusing on energy resilience, specifically on electricity, highlighting the importance of durability and reliability in the face of changing climate conditions and extreme weather events. Resilience is simply keeping the lights …
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Episode 181: Blue Collar Power From the Ground Up – A Conversation with Ryan Englin
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41:19In this episode, Bob’nJoyce talk with Ryan Englin about what businesses can do to fully leverage the power of the people closest to the work. Englin is a gritty, no bull coach who helps business owners get real about what’s needed to build strong teams that drive business success. Some of Ryan’s thought-provoking insights include: Being authentic t…
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In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Bill Wyatt, CEO and Founder of Red Mountain Biochar, a company dedicated to revolutionizing the use of sustainable materials in the concrete, steel, and agricultural industries. Bill Wyatt is a third-generation lumberman turned eco-entrepreneur with a deep commitment to environmental stewardshi…
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Episode 180: Managing Without Power – A conversation with Joris Merks-Benjaminsen
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54:24Today, Joris Merks-Benjaminsen joins us from the Netherlands to share his work helping companies cultivate leaders who emphasize both accountability and human connection to achieve extraordinary results. Joris is an award-winning author, brand and marketing expert, successful business leader, and entrepreneur. In 2022, after 22 years in various cor…
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Dr. Missy Stults on Sustainable Energy Utilities
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30:22In this Convo of Flanigan’s Eco-Logic, Ted speaks with Dr. Missy Stults, Sustainability and Innovations Director at City of Ann Arbor, working with all city operations, residents, businesses, the University of Michigan, nonprofits, and others to make Ann Arbor one of the most sustainable and equitable cities in America. Dr. Stults has dedicated 20 …
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