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In this episode of Equity Leadership Now!, host Dr. Jabari Mahiri speaks with Dr. Diana Hess, Emerita Dean of the School of Education at UW-Madison. Dr. Hess highlights the intersections of democratic education, academic freedom, and the role of structured dialogue in fostering equitable and participatory learning environments. The conversation transitions to Hess’s flagship initiative, The Discussion Project, launched in 2017 at UW-Madison. The Discussion Project is grounded in the principle, “Learn to Discuss, Discuss to Learn”, emphasizing that effective participation in discussions is a teachable skill, not an innate trait. Designed initially to enhance the quality and inclusivity of classroom discussions across disciplines, The Discussion Project offers professional development for higher education instructors and has since expanded to secondary schools.

Mahiri and Hess also address the challenges of sustaining high-quality discussions, including gender dynamics and participation imbalances. The conversation underscores the vital role of dialogue in democratic education, the ethical obligations of educators amid political censorship, and the transformative potential of structured discussion for promoting inclusion, critical thinking, and civic engagement across educational settings.

Equity Leadership Now! hosts conversations with equity-conscious leaders from Pre-K through university settings on educational research, policy, and practice. We complement the mission and goals of the 21st Century California School Leadership Academy, 21CSLA.