Taylor Swift just dropped her 12th studio album, and everyone’s talking about it—including us. Esau, producer Mike, and our resident Swift correspondent Lindsey Goetz break down their first impressions, favorite tracks, and the themes that make the album worth more than just pop-culture buzz. What does it mean to stay tender in a world that hardens us? How do we rebuild trust after disappointment? And how can art, even from outside the church, help us recognize the beauty of grace in the rubble of our failures? Whether or not you’re a Swifty, this conversation offers insight into why music matters for faith and why the questions in her songs are also questions for the people of God.

0:00 - Theme Song

1:45 - Esau’s New Shirt

2:17 - Initial Impressions

8:42 - The Eras

18:53 - What’s Taylor’s Music About?

22:03 - Why Engage with Secular Art?

25:30 - Pushing Back on Taylor

29:57 - End Credits