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For many, Father’s Day can stir up a complex mix of emotions—joy, sadness, longing, or even confusion. How do you celebrate when your dad wasn’t there? Maybe he passed away, walked away, or was physically present but emotionally distant.

In this conversation, Jordan and Josh reflect on the beauty of fatherhood, the hope of encountering God as Father, and the deep identity that is formed in that reality. They also explore what it means to experience the pride and delight of the Father in places where there has previously been absence or lack.

Josh shares openly about what he learned from his own father, and the wild, sacred journey of becoming a father himself.

We pray this conversation meets you wherever you are today — on Father’s Day.