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WTF is GTM Engineering? Everything You Need to Know Before Hiring One in 2025

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#271 GTM Engineering | In this episode, Dave is joined by John Short, CEO of Compound Growth Marketing, along with Cammy Keiler, Justin Johnson, and Dan Guenet. Together, they break down the rise of GTM engineering, what it is, how it differs from RevOps, and why B2B teams are investing in it.

Dave and the crew cover:

  • The core difference between RevOps and GTM engineering (and why the latter is more focused on building than just integrating)
  • Real GTM engineering use cases, from AI-powered sales tools to mid-funnel campaigns that go way beyond ebooks
  • How GTM engineers are driving higher revenue per employee and why this role should be one of your first five marketing hires

Whether you’re hiring or just GTM-curious, you’ll leave this episode with a clear definition of the role, real-world examples, and tactical ways GTM engineers drive impact.

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - – Intro
  • (03:52) - – Why this topic resonated with 1,200+ registrants
  • (06:07) - – What even is **GTM engineering?
  • (08:22) - – GTM engineering vs. RevOps vs. Marketing Ops
  • (11:37) - – How AI is driving this role forward
  • (14:47) - – Real examples: ABM campaigns, mid-funnel tools, sales call analysis
  • (19:57) - – Tools GTM engineers are using today (Clay, Unify, GPTs)
  • (23:22) - – Role of GTM engineering in revenue per employee
  • (27:37) - – How GTM engineers enable sales + reduce headcount
  • (32:03) - – What Dan actually does all day as a GTM engineer
  • (36:53) - – Custom GPTs for sales and marketing teams
  • (40:08) - – What MCP servers are (and why they matter)
  • (44:38) - – Claude, Gamma, and AI-powered content systems
  • (47:23) - – Why this isn’t just PLG (or ABM, or RevOps)
  • (51:13) - – When to hire a GTM engineer
  • (53:53) - – Big feelings about the role (and why they exist)
  • (56:03) - – Closing thoughts + what to take away

Join 50,000 people who get our Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter
Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/

***

Today’s episode is brought to you by Paramark.

It’s November. 2026 planning is already here. And the stuff you’re doing right now will decide how next year plays out.

But here’s the problem: most teams are still planning next year's marketing strategy based on the WRONG DATA because of broken attribution and a misleading gut feel. And you can’t make smart budget calls if you’re just guessing what’s working, what’s not, and where to put your next dollar.

That’s where Paramark comes in. They help you replace the guesswork with actual insight backed by $2 billion in analyzed marketing data. They’ve figured out what actually drives incremental growth across every channel including LinkedIn, Meta, TikTok, Google, CTV, even OOH.

And right now, they’re offering a private 1:1 consultation with their CEO and CMO, Pranav and Sam, who have led marketing teams at companies like Dropbox, Adobe, Microsoft, and Shutterfly.

In this 45-minute strategy session, they’ll help you measure the real impact of every marketing dollar, pull insights from your current media mix, and design a 2026 roadmap that’s rooted in data, not gut.

This is a heck of an offer. And it’s real. And will go fast. So if you want to future-proof your marketing strategy for 2026, don’t miss out on this offer.

Grab your spot at paramark.com/brand-consult.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more
  continue reading

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#271 GTM Engineering | In this episode, Dave is joined by John Short, CEO of Compound Growth Marketing, along with Cammy Keiler, Justin Johnson, and Dan Guenet. Together, they break down the rise of GTM engineering, what it is, how it differs from RevOps, and why B2B teams are investing in it.

Dave and the crew cover:

  • The core difference between RevOps and GTM engineering (and why the latter is more focused on building than just integrating)
  • Real GTM engineering use cases, from AI-powered sales tools to mid-funnel campaigns that go way beyond ebooks
  • How GTM engineers are driving higher revenue per employee and why this role should be one of your first five marketing hires

Whether you’re hiring or just GTM-curious, you’ll leave this episode with a clear definition of the role, real-world examples, and tactical ways GTM engineers drive impact.

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - – Intro
  • (03:52) - – Why this topic resonated with 1,200+ registrants
  • (06:07) - – What even is **GTM engineering?
  • (08:22) - – GTM engineering vs. RevOps vs. Marketing Ops
  • (11:37) - – How AI is driving this role forward
  • (14:47) - – Real examples: ABM campaigns, mid-funnel tools, sales call analysis
  • (19:57) - – Tools GTM engineers are using today (Clay, Unify, GPTs)
  • (23:22) - – Role of GTM engineering in revenue per employee
  • (27:37) - – How GTM engineers enable sales + reduce headcount
  • (32:03) - – What Dan actually does all day as a GTM engineer
  • (36:53) - – Custom GPTs for sales and marketing teams
  • (40:08) - – What MCP servers are (and why they matter)
  • (44:38) - – Claude, Gamma, and AI-powered content systems
  • (47:23) - – Why this isn’t just PLG (or ABM, or RevOps)
  • (51:13) - – When to hire a GTM engineer
  • (53:53) - – Big feelings about the role (and why they exist)
  • (56:03) - – Closing thoughts + what to take away

Join 50,000 people who get our Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter
Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/

***

Today’s episode is brought to you by Paramark.

It’s November. 2026 planning is already here. And the stuff you’re doing right now will decide how next year plays out.

But here’s the problem: most teams are still planning next year's marketing strategy based on the WRONG DATA because of broken attribution and a misleading gut feel. And you can’t make smart budget calls if you’re just guessing what’s working, what’s not, and where to put your next dollar.

That’s where Paramark comes in. They help you replace the guesswork with actual insight backed by $2 billion in analyzed marketing data. They’ve figured out what actually drives incremental growth across every channel including LinkedIn, Meta, TikTok, Google, CTV, even OOH.

And right now, they’re offering a private 1:1 consultation with their CEO and CMO, Pranav and Sam, who have led marketing teams at companies like Dropbox, Adobe, Microsoft, and Shutterfly.

In this 45-minute strategy session, they’ll help you measure the real impact of every marketing dollar, pull insights from your current media mix, and design a 2026 roadmap that’s rooted in data, not gut.

This is a heck of an offer. And it’s real. And will go fast. So if you want to future-proof your marketing strategy for 2026, don’t miss out on this offer.

Grab your spot at paramark.com/brand-consult.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more
  continue reading

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