Lance sits down with Matt Slepin, one of real estate's best-known executive recruiters and storytellers, to trace the industry's arc from the RTC era to today's institutional, tech-enabled platforms—and what comes next. Matt explains how CMBS and REITs catalyzed a shift from "piles of assets" to true operating companies, why technology and capital markets now define competitive advantage, and how leaders must evolve from property whisperers to business builders with resilient balance sheets, systems, and succession.

They get real about purpose and profit—from serving renters and strengthening cities to tackling climate's 40% built-environment footprint—arguing that durable impact often follows enlightened self-interest over 20-year horizons (and keeps regulation at bay). Matt shares hiring and leadership patterns he sees across top performers: discipline + flexibility, altitude control (don't live at 500 feet), and the courage to grow beyond the founder's shadow. Stories span nonprofit scale, workforce housing entrepreneurship, and what it takes to create the best place to work—because culture shows up in NOI.

Key Takeaways: • Institutionalization 2.0: Post-RTC, CMBS and REITs professionalized the game; now platform excellence (people, systems, capital structure, tech) is the edge. • Tech + Capital = Gravity: From investor reporting to property ops, tech rewires every function; capital market savvy (leverage, maturities, stack) keeps you alive in downturns. • Purpose via Self-Interest: Serving renters, cities, and climate aligns with long-term reputation and regulation risk—mission and margins reinforce each other. • Hire for tomorrow: Deep discipline expertise and resilience/flexibility beat static resumes; many next-gen CFOs must run a company, not 30 LLCs. • Lead at altitude: Great CEOs live high enough to steer the platform, but can drop to 5,000 feet to mentor—not to micromanage. • Focus wins: Pick a thesis you can execute, stay relentless, let it evolve—but stick with the lane long enough to compound.

Chapters: • 00:00 – Warm-up: who's Matt and why this matters • 05:03 – RTC, CMBS, REITs: how the "cowboys" met the balance sheet • 06:31 – What changes next: platforms, tech, AI, sophistication • 08:08 – Apartments, cities, climate: purpose through enlightened self-interest • 11:07 – Reputation & regulation: why long-term thinking pays • 13:31 – People vs vision? Align both; culture as enterprise value • 16:25 – Operating as a company: capital stacks, leverage, hold-period survival • 18:44 – Two drivers of change: capital markets + technology everywhere • 21:46 – Hiring now: discipline depth + flexibility/resilience • 25:59 – Bridging the gap: from asset gurus to platform leaders • 27:45 – Growing with the company: altitude control beats the weeds • 30:57 – Builders bigger than themselves: nonprofit scale, workforce housing plays • 35:33 – Staying on mission: focus, relentlessness, best-place-to-work ethos • 37:29 – Leadership that lasts: be good people, create value • 39:07 – Career map: find your lane, then dig deep • 41:18 – Personal: partnership, music, and a bagel-shop jam called "Stoosday"

Resources Mentioned: • ZRG — Global talent advisory (Real Estate Practice) • Terra Search Partners — Executive search in real estate • Leading Voices in Real Estate — Matt's podcast (1M+ downloads) • Themes: RTC/CMBS/REITs, apartment industry, workforce/affordable housing, secondary/tertiary market theses, culture & "best place to work," climate impact of the built environment

Connect with Matt: • Podcast: Leading Voices in Real Estate • Firm: ZRG – Global Real Estate Practice • Search: "Matt Slepin ZRG Leading Voices" for episodes & articles

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