In this special four-year anniversary episode of the No Grey Areas podcast, I sit down with our very own podcast founder, Joe Gagliano—the man behind the largest point-shaving scandal in NCAA sports history. To celebrate over 120 thought-provoking episodes of the No Grey Areas Podcast, we're bringing it full circle in this exclusive episode. In this candid conversation, Joe shares the story of how one phone call pulled him into a multimillion-dollar point-shaving scheme that shook the sports world and landed him in the national spotlight.

But this episode isn’t just about scandal—it’s about redemption, risk, and the power of integrity. Joe unpacks the details of what drove his decision-making at 22, the environments that shaped him, and the hard-earned wisdom he now lives by.

If you’ve ever felt tempted to take shortcuts or compromise your values, this cautionary tale will hit home. Because, as Joe says, it’s “black or white”, there are “no grey areas”.

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No Grey Areas is a motivational podcast with captivating guests centered around how our choices humanize, empower, and define who we become. This podcast is inspired by the cautionary tale, No Grey Areas, written by Joseph Gagliano. Learn more about the truth behind his story involved with sports' biggest scandal at https://www.nogreyareas.com/