Dan sits down with seasoned development leader Debbie McNamara to unpack what really delivers complex projects: people, clarity and long-term partnership. From UK PPP lessons to Australian health infrastructure, they explore program-over-project thinking, housing as a system (not a silo), and why culture and relationships outperform contracts when curveballs hit. Debbie also maps the skills future leaders need - adaptability, values, systems thinking and curiosity—and makes the case for welcoming global experience back into Australia.

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About the Hosts

Host: Daniel Moussa - Founder, Thirdway Advisory
Dan Moussa is the founder of Thirdway Advisory and one of Australia’s most connected talent advisors across real estate development, critical infrastructure, and sustainability. He hosts Future People, where leaders share how they are redefining value, legacy, and the future of work.

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