Joris Lechêne took us on an extraordinary journey of the mind and around the world! Although the conversation began modestly by talking about walls and healthy environments, it quickly expanded to encompass coloniality, decoloniality, and our current state of global Empire. However, Joris also suggested a way out of our current system, and named a very specific group of people who he believes are not really in community with the rest of us. Can you guess who they are?