Today Zach ponders on how life itself was created and why there are so many different components and diverse beings in life. Cover art photo provided by Alexander Andrews on Unsplash: https://unsplash.com/@alex_andrews
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The podcast that unearths hidden Americana gems, shares untold stories from legends, and proves music still has the power to move us all. If you believe Americana music can transform the world, you’re in the right place. Too many overlook its raw beauty and power to connect, heal, and inspire. We spotlight the artists carrying that torch — unsung heroes writing the soundtrack to something bigger. Each week, hosts Ben Fanning and Zach Schultz bring you intimate, entertaining conversations wit ...
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The two ordinary cops are former Northern Territory Police Officers Remote Sergeant Ben Schultz and Detective Sergeant Damien Barbe. With over 25 years experience Ben and Damo share stories from their time in the job. Follow along through the laughter, anger and tears that come with the rigours of Policing Australia’s last frontier.
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The Fish Golf Brah-dcast is a series of conversations with people in disc golf, who don’t always have to talk about disc golf. When there’s no defined topic, everything is on-topic, including taunting other players and dogs. Episodes will be released weekly throughout the 2025 season. Produced by Disc Golf Brah. Hats and other show merchandise are available at discgolfbrah.com. Fish discs are available for $15 at fishdiscgolf.com, Daddy Disc Golf, DiscHub, Treemagnets, Marshall Street, Cosmi ...
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Ella Hansen, accompanied by Chandler Fry's dog Ollie on the bagpipes, rejoins the Brah-dcast to talk about how she might implement a coach, drawing from other experiences and examples of coaches in other sports. We talk about mechanical and emotional aspects this could influence, and come up with more tasks we're desperate to offload to a logistici…
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Wagon Wheel, Old Crow Medicine Show, and Ketch Secor (The Untold Story of Americana’s Biggest Hit)
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47:50He’s the man behind “Wagon Wheel” — the song that went from a Bob Dylan fragment to a global anthem, covered by Darius Rucker, sung at campfires, weddings, and stadiums everywhere. But few know the real story of how it was written. In this exclusive interview, Ketch Secor, founder of Old Crow Medicine Show, shares: -How “Wagon Wheel” was finished w…
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Episode 87 – Mailbag Mayhem and a Bombshell
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57:01From listener shout-outs to cartonable offences that’ll make you shake your head, Schultzy and Damo dive into the good, the bad, and the downright funny side of policing life. This one’s packed with stories from the bush, hard truths about break-ins, and a few unforgettable Q&A moments. But stick around—because right at the end, the boys drop a bom…
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Zach Melton, who was viciously attacked during our taping by Raven Klein (with a pickle) and Albert Tamm (with a Nerf gun), cries deeply about the Baseball Hall of Fame, to the point of maybe threatening willful property destruction. We talk about who, what, when, where, and also maybe why and how we are in disc golf, and Zach describes how he's co…
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Episode 86 - Deep, Dark and Dirty – Tales of a Diver with Luke McCulloch
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1:37:21When a call comes in for a body recovery and you’re dropped into shark-infested waters, most would tap out. Luke McCulloch dove straight in — literally. In this gripping episode, Schultzy and Damo sit down with former WA cop and police diver Luke, whose 15-year career took him from the red dirt of remote mining towns to the pitch-black depths of un…
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Connor O'Reilly, who might not personally admit to being the avenger with a Sharpie correcting hole distances on DGPT tee signs, logs on to talk about tour standards, rule interpretations, and bonsai. The Fish Golf Brah-dcast is a series of conversations with people in disc golf, who don’t always have to talk about disc golf. When there’s no define…
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Episode 85 – Hypervigilance, Heartbreak, and Healing, Interview with Karlie Fleming
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1:28:09Episode 85 – Hypervigilance, Heartbreak, and Healing, Interview with Karlie Fleming dives deep into the hidden toll of frontline policing and intelligence work. Karlie shares her powerful journey from chasing her dream of joining the police, to years spent in high-risk intel roles, through the trauma that nearly broke her, and finally the breakthro…
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Holyn Handley teaches us how to be a potato, explores the game theory exercise of how and when to practice various skills, and how she's intentionally keeping a "winning culture" of people and routines. Test your knowledge of background noises by distinguishing the generator powering a bathroom trailer from trucks driving by from planes taking off …
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Why Country Radio Will Never Play Luke Tyler Shelton (And That’s a Good Thing)
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42:47Mainstream country radio has no room for voices like Luke Tyler Shelton—and that’s exactly why his music matters. In this episode of Americana Curious, Ben and Zach sit down with rising Americana artist Luke Tyler Shelton, whose debut album Blue Sky (produced by Shooter Jennings) is already winning over true music lovers. From writing songs in park…
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In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the lifeline of every first responder – the radio. From the gut-wrenching moments of being outnumbered on a hostile job to the sheer relief of hearing sirens racing in for backup, they unpack the power of comms and the mateship it represents. You’ll hear raw frontline stories, a shout-out to the unsung h…
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Dick Parker, the traveling salesman of GRIPeq, sits down with Fish and we essentially have the conversation we'd have if the mics weren't on. We both do several voices or accents, riff on movies we love, plumb the depths of Dick's childhood/young adulthood hobbies that he somehow escaped and/or overcame to become a relatively successful adult, and …
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Harry Chace, Rhode Island's finest, extols the virtues of regional events, describes how he dipped a toe into Elite Series events in 2023 but then took 2024 off on purpose to get better, made a winter salad, and doesn't take the bait to completely clown on his friend group, even though at the very moment of recording they were probably making fun o…
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Episode 83 – Off Duty, On Edge, and a Cartonable Offence
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50:04In Episode 83 of Two Ordinary Cops, Schultzy and Damo take a step back from the front line and reflect on life after policing. From navigating the lingering effects of hypervigilance to the unexpected challenges of judging people by appearances, this episode dives deep into what it really means to switch off—or try to—when the uniform comes off. Al…
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Sammy Rae and The Friends: The Wild Story You’ve Never Heard
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1:02:55Sammy Rae and The Friends didn’t just start a band—they sparked a movement. 🎤✨ In this unforgettable interview, Sammy Rae and The Friends reveal the wild story behind a tour bus breakdown that turned into something legendary…and the moment a single letter changed everything. From sold-out shows at Red Rocks to creating a global community of belongi…
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Episode 82 – Courts, Critics, and the Cops in Between
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55:34In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the often-misunderstood world of the courtroom, exploring the complicated relationship between frontline policing, public perception, and the justice system. They unpack the feedback cops cop — from both sides — and take a measured look at the way magistrates are sometimes unfairly judged by those who do…
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Episode 81 - OC Spray, Red Tape & the Politics of Common Sense.
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1:02:48In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the legalisation of OC spray in the NT, drawing on the real-life experiences of cops in Western Australia, where it’s already been legal for a couple of years. Schultzy then shares a story about two blokes who tried to pick a fight with him while he was off duty, leading to a chat about the importance of…
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Episode 80 – Auxiliaries, Ex-Mil, and Beers on the Bar
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51:35In this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops shine a light on the unsung legends of policing — the police auxiliaries. From the calm voices behind the radio to the rock-solid support in the watch house, Damo and Schultzy reflect on the vital roles these members play behind the scenes. The boys also dive into what it’s really like when ex-military personn…
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FGB 91: Lucas Oberholtzer Hess & Jesse Longenecker
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1:03:34Lucas Oberholtzer Hess and Jesse Longenecker log on and Fish hollers about uncontrollables. We determine (later) that a 2019 Impreza has 1310 L of volume with the seats down, while a 2008 Prius has a mere 1210 L of comparable volume. Jesse walks through his approach to Winthrop in the process to his 2025 College Disc Golf championship, and how he m…
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Episode 79 – From Cop to Accused to Airborne: Jarrod Michael’s Journey
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59:13From growing up idolising his VicPol father to being arrested and acquitted twice, Jarrod Michael's story is one of grit, loss, redemption—and altitude. In this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops dive deep into Jarrod’s short but impactful policing stint, the toll of false accusations, and the crushing feeling of being abandoned by the job he once drea…
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Chandler Fry, who's not retired, but is sort of retired, recently became Michigan's newest most dangerous local pro. We talk about his history of touring full-time as a professional disc golfer, how it became clear in 2024 that it was time to switch gears, what he's doing now for Discraft, and how sponsors and the Pro Tour might better value and su…
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Episode 78 – From Courtroom to Coroner: That’s Not a Finding, That’s a Stitch-Up of Zach Rolfe
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50:02The coronial inquest into the death of Kumanjayi Walker has made headlines around the world — but was it really about the death, or about bringing down Zach Rolfe? In this explosive episode, Schultzy and Damo discuss the fallout, questioning how a Supreme Court acquittal gave way to a coronial inquest that felt more like a public takedown than a fa…
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Raven Klein, who maybe should have tupperware and propane sponsorships, re-joins the show to help categorize "Sad Tour Meals" and share some of their worst meals while on the road. Raven and Fish tell some bad jokes, alley-oop a joke opportunity to a bungling Ella Hansen, and yes, Fish went on another bad date. Support Raven Klein's food and graphi…
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Episode 77 – When Your Son Wears the Uniform: A Mother’s Perspective
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1:06:03In this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops sit down with a very special guest—Schultzy’s mum, Liz. From guarding evidence in the red dirt of the Northern Territory to cooking meals for specialist squads, Liz shares what it’s really like watching your son step into a uniform and face the realities of policing. She opens up about the pride, the sleepless…
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The Last Revel Just Bet EVERYTHING on This Album (Americana will NEVER be the Same)
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47:31From Dive Bars to John Mayer: The Last Revel’s Journey is Unbelievable! Three musicians. One relentless vision. And a record that feels like the point of no return. From Midwest dive bars to sharing stages with John Mayer, The Last Revel has always played like there’s something at stake. But this time…it’s different. They locked themselves away in …
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Silas Schultz, peering out from a hat older than he is, joins the Fish Golf Brah-dcast to talk about his filming and editing aesthetic preferences, how sometimes the art of practicing throwing is more fun than competing, and how he and Fish drastically differ in their bag construction. The Fish Golf Brah-dcast is a series of conversations with peop…
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Episode 76 – From PTSD to Purpose: Nick White’s Mission to Save First Responders
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1:40:22In this powerful episode, we sit down with former paratrooper and NSW police officer Nick White. From high-risk military service to frontline policing in some of the toughest parts of Sydney, Nick opens up about the trauma that nearly broke him — including the heartbreaking moment he tried to save a one-week-old baby. Diagnosed with PTSD after year…
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Mild-mannered Jarod Paul becomes Dr. Disc Golf when he eats enough Greek yogurt with protein powder, and while he's not known to fight crime under that identity, he does help disc golfers with training plans and injury rehab. Jarod and Fish talk about how he individualizes workouts, talks through patients' symptoms and pathologies, and the ways he'…
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Ryan Necci - Truth. Trauma. Viral Harmony
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47:46He didn’t chase the spotlight. He built a bonfire of truth—and let the crowd find him. Ryan Necci never set out to be a full-time musician and songwriter. He was a graphic designer. A weekend warrior. Then life cracked wide open. A brain tumor. A rescue dog fighting cancer. A marriage ending. And through it all—songs poured out. 🎶 Songs that bruise…
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Episode 75 – From Rookie Mistake to Tactical Expertise in an Interview with Ben Hosking
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2:18:02The Two Ordinary Cops sit down with Ben Hosking — a former frontline cop turned tactical operator — for one of our rawest chats yet. Thrown into chaos straight out of the academy, Hosko faced riots, a taser mishap, and the harsh reality of policing in Tennant Creek. Years later, he was forced to shoot an armed offender. From high-risk incidents to …
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FGB 86: Ali Smith on Statistics in Disc Golf
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47:42Ali Smith joins the show to discuss the current limitations of information being gathered in disc golf, and being presented as authoritative statistics. We talk about descriptive and prescriptive ways that player and course statistics could be used to improve broadcasts, player preparation, and course design. Ali also drafts three players for a kab…
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Sons of the East - 700 Million Streams and NO LABEL...with Nic Johnston
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51:43700 Million Streams. No Label - Sons of the East 🎶 They tracked a stolen tour bus with AirTags. 🎤 They played their hearts out in front of Bill Murray. 🩲 And yes… they lost a full cube of fresh undies on tour. Sons of the East didn’t blow up overnight. They built their global cult following the hard way: No major label. No viral gimmick. Just kille…
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Episode 74 – “Pepper Spray, Protesters and the Porn Channel Surprise”
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51:56In Episode 74, the Two Ordinary Cops cover everything from snow in Hernani to sex dungeons in Kununurra. Damo and Schultzy reflect on the Northern Territory's move to legalise capsicum spray for civilians—and debate whether it’s empowering the public or arming the crooks. They also tackle the hot-button issue of deaths in custody, offering a frontl…
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FGB 85: Fish Solo on PDGA Board Elections and Playing Through a Slump
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43:43After a little break from posting, Fish logs on to talk about the difficulties of playing through a slump, how design projects are helping him regain the enthusiasm to play, laboriously slogs through a baseball analogy, and why that means he hasn't posted an FGB episode in nearly two months. In the second block, a description of attributes Fish wou…
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Kelsey Waldon - Monkey’s Eyebrow to the Country Music Hall of Fame
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47:24From Monkey’s Eyebrow to the Country Music Hall of Fame She learned to write songs before she learned to drive. Raised in the swampy river bottoms of rural Kentucky—riding a John boat to her dad’s hunting lodge—Kelsey Waldon found her way from front porches and thumb-picked guitars to sharing stages with Willie Nelson and Tanya Tucker. 🎙 Signed to …
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Episode 73 – The Bobby Principle: Why Respect for Police Rises—and Falls:
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42:17In this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy dive into the complex topic of public respect for police — where it comes from, how it can be lost in a heartbeat, and what it really takes to earn it back. From crowd control at footy games to walking the beat in remote communities, they explore the idea of "The Bobby Principle” — that being …
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The Lone Bellow - Zach Williams, TRAUMA TO TRIUMPH
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46:00TRAUMA TO TRIUMPH: THE BIRTH OF THE LONE BELLOW 🎙️ What if heartbreak could spark healing? This episode of Americana Curious is one for the soul. 🎧 We sit down with Zach Williams—frontman of The Lone Bellow—to uncover the raw story of how a life-altering accident became the catalyst for a musical movement. 💔 A broken neck. 🎸 A journal turned song. …
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Episode 72 – Overseas Recruits, Overtime & the Price of a Carton
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40:41In Episode 72 – Overseas Recruits, Overtime & the Price of a Carton, the Two Ordinary Cops dive into the real cost of life in the blue. From breaking down how junior cops can crack six figures (if they're willing to sacrifice sleep), to the unofficial rules of “cartonable offences” and kangaroo courts, Damo and Schultzy mix laughs with hard truths.…
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Episode 71 – Boot Camps, Broken Systems, and Blokes Like Mickey
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46:44In this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy dive deep into the tough conversations — from viral post turtle banter to the devastating reality behind police suicide and youth crime in the Territory. Damo reflects on the tragic loss of his mate, Mickey D — a true legend of the Northern Territory Police — and what made him so special. They…
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Episode 70 – From Connie to Commander: Inside the Police Rank Structure.
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1:04:50In Episode 70 of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy break down the police rank structure from the ground up – starting with the everyday duties of a constable all the way to the strategic decisions made at commissioner level. They reflect on their own journeys, share experiences of leading in remote stations, and dive into what it really takes to…
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Episode 69 – When the Armour Cracks: An Interview with Queensland Paramedic Peter Vinnicombe
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1:27:23In this powerful episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy sit down with Queensland paramedic Peter Vinnicombe to explore the deep and lasting impact of frontline trauma. Peter shares his 17-year journey as a single officer paramedic in rural Queensland, culminating in a violent incident that changed his life and career forever. They discuss …
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Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors- Americana Music that Heals and Unites
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44:11Drew Holcomb is more than just a musician—he’s a cultural force who has spent nearly two decades writing the soundtrack to our lives. You need to know Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors now! In this powerful episode of Americana Curious, Drew opens up about his journey from independent artist to community builder, while staying true to his voice. Discove…
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In Episode 68 of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy don’t hold back as they call out the worst of the worst—cops who broke the law and were rightly arrested and jailed by their own colleagues. From stealing drugs out of seizures to the unforgivable crime of child abuse, they shine a light on those who tarnish the badge. The episode also dives int…
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Episode 67 – The Truth About Cops, Corruption & Integrity
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49:26This week, Damo and Schutzy aren’t holding back. They’re diving headfirst into one of the most talked-about—and misunderstood—topics in policing: corruption. Sure, the past has its skeletons, but today’s police are under more scrutiny than ever before. The boys break down the myths, get real about integrity, and share what it’s really like working …
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Episode 66 – People in Crisis: Mental Health Intervention
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49:10After throwing out a cheeky challenge to our listeners to either send us love or completely roast us, Damo and Schultzy were stoked to get almost 10 messages – with 4 of them giving us a light-hearted ribbing (we can take it!), and the rest showing solid support for the podcast. But more than that, you legends also sent through some cracking sugges…
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Dirt Road Rising! JD Clayton didn’t wait for permission. He wrote the songs, built the band, produced the album—and now he’s building a movement one dirt road and bass drop at a time. Instead, he's ripping stages across America, self-producing records that slap you in the soul, and proving that roots music doesn’t have to play by the rules. In this…
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FGB 84: Ella Hansen's 2025 AL Preview
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1:35:25Ella Hansen, a fount of guarded pessimism about the Mariners, joins the show to preview the 2025 MLB season. We examine some trends in free agency, laud short kings, don't at all believe in the Yankees (which can only get us in trouble later), and still can't believe after all of their itinerant history that the Athletics are making their worst mov…
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Episode 65 - Coppers, College & Changing Times
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38:57In this episode, Damo and Schultzy dive into the evolving landscape of Family and Domestic Violence (FDV) procedures and legislation. With years of frontline experience between them, the boys share how things have changed—what’s working, what’s not, and why Schultzy reckons “You can’t fast track DV.” Schultzy also gives a few well-earned shoutouts …
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Susto's Justin Osborne - Susto String Band
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52:48Soulful Reckoning Ever wondered how a band can bridge the gap between rock and roll energy and old-time Appalachian soul? Justin Osborne, the driving force behind Susto, is doing just that. But there's a twist – a journey of self-discovery, a departure from the familiar, and a dive into the heart of Americana. His story is one of transformation and…
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Episode 64 - Remote, Resilient, and Married to a Cop
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38:22In this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy sit down with Damo’s wife, Emer, to explore what it’s like being married to a cop—especially in remote communities. Rather than focusing on the job itself, they dive into everyday life in these towns, discussing the unique challenges and experiences of police families. What’s it like for partn…
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The Wood Brothers, Oliver Wood - Music as Medicine
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37:22Americana Rawness Rules Oliver Wood of The Wood Brothers, a cornerstone of modern Americana for two decades, reveals the surprising shift in their songwriting that keeps their sound soulful and timeless. The acclaimed band, beloved by critics and fans alike, has carved a unique path. But how did they maintain their signature sound while navigating …
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