We had so much fun with guest Gay Jesus aka Ryan Josiah aka Ryan Barlow, that we decided to have a quick, impromptu, informal photoshoot with him after the recording! This first episode of season two drops on Tuesday, June 3.By twonomos

Two NoMos have been on a short recording break to gear up for lots of upcoming events and engagements. But next Tuesday, June 3, we're back, Baby! We open season two with very special guest, "Gay Jesus," aka, Ryan Josiah. Spoiler alert: he is neither Jesus nor gay. But he is a local Salt Lake celebrity and activist, fighting the good fight for marg…

Folks without a Temple "recommend" are not permitted to enter the Mormon Temple. We didn't realize how dire the consequences would be for doing this... Erika tries the Temple for the very first time, and Kate returns for the first time after leaving the church. Don't try this at home, kids.By twonomos

Can Kate say "See You Next Tuesday"? Find out in this Trying Moment!By twonomos

Nothing like "good" Mormons telling racist jokes. Thanks to Channel Achenbach for sharing her afternoon and her story with us!By twonomos

Women are asked to "cover their faces" during parts of Mormon Temple ceremonies. This is a quote from a woman whose sister had a panic attack and broke down sobbing the first time she went through the Temple. None of her friends or family were permitted to comfort her, as everyone is required to keep their heads down and plow through the ceremony.…

Like Jesus, the Mormon Temple is exclusive and unavailable to many. Wait a minute...By twonomos

The Mormon Temple and all its rituals are creepy. In this episode, the Two NoMos dive further into the cult-like rituals and share some terrifying quotes from ExMormons who went through the Temple and came out scathed and traumatized.By twonomos

To enter the Mormon Temple, a member needs a "recommend." In other words, one needs to be deemed "worthy" enough, and of course, the hefty tithing needs to be paid. God always needs money. While this flies in the face of everything espoused by Jesus (the man, the myth, the legend - however you conceive of this figure), it also doesn't seem to be qu…

On his mission for the Mormon church, Bryan went to his bishop, distraught by some natural feelings he was having as a young man. Instead of normalizing this, the bishop asked him a humiliating question and shamed him.By twonomos

In the last episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar...", Kate and Erika discussed the harmful messaging from the Mormon church around sex, and the damage that does to women. This episode looks at the harm that this messaging does to men. From being grilled about the verboten masturbation, to being shamed for having any sexual feelings wha…

The Mormon church teaches nothing but shame around sex. This leads to harmful ideologies and dangerously incorrect information. In this clip, Kate shares what she learned about sex from her parents. Spoiler: It's not remotely factual.By twonomos

Though the title of this episode sounds a lot dirtier than it actually is, it deserves an explicit content warning as Kate and Erika talk about sex, baby. The Two NoMos discuss the harm caused by purity culture, aka the law of chastity, as taught in the Mormon church. They're joined by an amazing local group of women who were also negatively affect…

It all comes down to money and power. In this episode, Kate and Erika sit down with poet Kaitlin Shetler to discuss the similarities and differences between the church of Christ and the Mormon church.By twonomos

General Conference has been described as, "Receiving a slap and then a kiss." Members are bombarded with messaging that they are not enough, that they will never be enough, and that they need the church to even have a chance at being enough, so they had better come back and stay forever. But they will probably still never be enough. All while they …

For many years, Kate was made to attend "General Conference," a large gathering of Mormons that happens twice a year. Over this weekend, members are told they are worthless and that they need the Mormon church to make them whole, all while being bombarded with messaging that this is a wonderful, holy, sacred experience. This results in significant …

In this episode, "Keep Sweet, Pray, and...NO WAY!", Kate and Erika discuss all the ways in which the Mormon church subjugates and oppresses women. Here, we read a quote from Elaine Dalton when she was President of the Young Women's Organization, instructing women not to fight for their rights.By twonomos

The Mormon church is racist AF. In this clip from Episode 11, "'White and Delightsome' Is Frightsome," guest Channel Achenbach shares one of the many stories of racism she experienced as a member of this organization. The racism is baked in. And it is prevalent.By twonomos

In this episode, Kate and Erika welcome Channel Achenbach, a Black woman who converted to the Mormon church in her teens and experienced all kinds of racism, Mormon style. She shares the story of her exit from the church, and the strength she's found along the way, advocating for herself and her children with grace. Find her on TikTok: @sapid711 an…

Shame is a centerpiece of the Mormon church. It is taught and it is taught young. Children are indoctrinated and programmed to shame and humiliate other children when they step out of line, so they can grow into adults who do the same. This is another cult control tactic that keeps members "behaving" and most importantly, PAYING TITHING.…

Mormon church leadership discourages any reading outside of church-approved literature. Any critical thought is disparaged, and members are encouraged to turn their brains off.By twonomos

In this episode, Kate & Erika explore life inside and outside of the Mormon faith. Inside, so much is verboten - R-rated content, intimate relationships, even coffee! Now that Kate has left the church, she is happy to live her life in full, blooming color instead of beige. And Erika, dirty heathen that she is, has always lived in vibrant color.…

In this Episode, Kate and Erika sit down with the Fresh King Benjamin to discuss the fraud of the Mormon church. Joseph Smith, the first "prophet" of the church was a predator and should be condemned.By twonomos

Many people have heard that Mormons won't drink caffeine. This is untrue. Mormons will GUZZLE caffeine. As long as it's not HOT caffeine, because their "health" doctrine instructs, "No hot drinks." So they will down a Mountain Dew but eschew green tea. HOWEVER, they wouldn't drink a COLD (NOT HOT) green tea, for unknown reasons, and they WILL drink…

In this episode, Kate & Erika interview guest Kambria Davis, who is the "Mormonist lesbian," an exMo, astrologer, and energy healer. Together, they talk about the church's harmful practices against the LGBTQ community and take a look into spirituality post-Mormonism, wealth, and woo. Kambria also gives Kate & Erika a birth (not bird) chart reading.…

The Mormon church is the best business model ever. Not only does this organization use cult tactics to coerce members out of their hard-earned cash, but in order for this coercion to work, the church needs to strip members of their self-worth and their ability to think critically. It is robbery in service to this 10% tithing. And everything is sing…

In this clip from episode one of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar...", given the choice between the dogma of the Mormon church or her child, Kate chose her child.By twonomos

We are Two NoMos - an ExMormon, Kate, and a NeverMormon, Erika. Together we deconstruct the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails. Cheers to deconstructing Mormonism!By twonomos

In this episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..." Kate and Erika discuss Mormon baptism for both the living and the dead. Mormonism requires baptism for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom where only the most righteous can dwell. Since the early leaders of the Mormon church were anything BUT righteous, the Two NoMos use their self-procl…

Two NoMos Kate and Erika sit down with extraordinary poet and ex-church of Christ member, Kaitlin Shetler. In this episode we discuss the similarities and differences between the Mormon Church and the church of Christ. We highlight the cult tactics employed by both, as well as the erasure of women in these organizations. And as a special treat, Kai…

In the Mormon church, women are not allowed to hold any significant positions of leadership. They are prohibited from ever being the Prophet, a part of the Quorum, a Bishop, or even holding the Priesthood in their own homes. They can oversee the Women's Auxiliary and the Children's Ward, but even then, they must check in with male leaders about any…

In this "after school special" episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk into a Bar..." Kate and Erika discuss some of the struggles that come with leaving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or Mormon Church. For many, a change in religion changes relationships with family and friends who are still members of the church. This one gets pe…

In this episode, Kate and Erika discuss whether or not the Mormon church is a cult, and Kate "tries" the viral video from the dawn of the internet, "Two Girls, One Cup." This was our reference for cult criteria: https://www.cookman.edu/crl/cult-related-activity.htmlBy twonomos

In this episode, Kate and Erika chat with The Fresh King Benjamin about his upbringing in a Mormon polygamist compound. Then we all get a little wild and decide to try out polygamy to see what all the fuss is about! This podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretio…

In this episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk into a Bar...", Kate and Erika discuss the absurdities of the Word of Wisdom, or code of health. Mormons will drink a chemical $#!+storm of Mountain Dew, while eschewing green tea as the devil's brew. And they do this in the name of health. Kate wouldn't even enter a bar while a member of The Church of…

In this episode of An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..., cohosts Kate (ExMormon) and Erika (NeverMormon) introduce themselves and their podcast. They share their experiences living in Salt Lake Valley, or "Mormon Central", and reflect on the unlikely friendship that developed between them. The episode explores their experiences with the Mormon …