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Ben Orenstein and Adam Wathan on surviving the transition from dev to founder.
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Learn to sell, find your first paying customers and grow a successful business. An interview series for (technical) founders who are fed up of building products nobody wants to buy... Your host, Louis Nicholls, interviews the best founders and salespeople out there. You'll learn how they found their first customers and grew successful businesses. With a focus on actionable insights from every area of sales.
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The Fragmented Podcast is the leading Android developer podcast started by Kaushik Gopal & Donn Felker. Our goal is to help you become a better Android Developer through conversation & to capture the zeitgeist of Android development. We chat about topics such as Testing, Dependency Injection, Patterns and Practices, useful libraries, and much more. We will also be interviewing some of the top developers out there. Subscribe now and join us on the journey of becoming a better Android Developer.
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257 - Future of AndroidDev in an AI world with Vinay Gaba
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47:39Join us as we talk with Vinay Gaba, Android GDE and leading voice in Android development, about the future of the field. Vinay shares insights from interviews with top Android devs on their three-year predictions, and offers his own perspective. We cover AI's impact, evolving development roles, and crucial future skills. You can find the full shown…
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In this episode, we dive into the power of rapid prototyping for Android developers using Kotlin. We explore how this crucial skill can impress stakeholders, accelerate your workflow, and help you stay ahead in today's fast-paced tech landscape. We'll cover use cases across scripting, web development (with Ktor & HTMX), mobile apps (Jetpack Compose…
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In this episode, we dive into the programming paradigm — Data Oriented Programming (DOP) and why making data the star can simplify your code. Learn how well-modeled data reduces defensive logic, prevents invalid states, and keeps your apps stable. We’ll also contrast DOP with Object Oriented Programming (OOP) and Functional Programming (FP), sharin…
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2024 year in review and plans for 2025
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1:28:22In this episode, Adam and Ben sit down to reflect on how things went in 2024 in their business and personal lives and talk about their plans for 2025.By Ben Orenstein and Adam Wathan
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254 - 8× faster 5× memory savings with Dan Rusu’s Immutable Arrays
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49:16In this episode, discover how Dan Rusu’s pods4k Immutable Arrays library can deliver 2–8× speed boosts and 5× lower memory usage in Kotlin/Android apps. We first revisit the fundamentals of autoboxing/unboxing and immutability to understand their impact on performance. Then we hear from Dan himself on his library, motiviations for building it, how …
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253 - logcat - a new look at logging with Piwai from Square
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40:30Kaushik looks at a new logging library from Square called logcat. He starts by seeing how the popular Timber library does it along with the benefits. He then interviews Pierre-Yves Ricau (Piwai) of Square, the creator of logcat, to explore its origins and advantages. You can find the full shownotes over at fragmentedpodcast.com. Show Notes Timber l…
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In this episode of Fragmented, Kaushik dives into the importance of creating your own starter template to streamline app development and minimize decision fatigue. He shares insights from his own starter template - Playground Android. Looking to the future, JetBrains has an exciting tool called Amper that might make all of this much easier. Kaushik…
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In this episode, Kaushik explores the evolution of dependency injection (DI) in Android development. Dagger has been the de-facto solution for DI in Android but there might be a new king in DI-town. He also chats with friend of the show and dependency injection expert Ralf Wondratschek for a final gut check. Shownotes: https://fragmentedpodcast.com…
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We're back from the hiatus with our SemiQuicentennial episode! With the momentous 250 comes some big announcements and a shift in the way we do things. Listen to find out the details! Shownotes: https://fragmentedpodcast.com/episodes/250By Donn Felker, Kaushik Gopal
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Adam and Ben are back on the mics after nine months to give an update on their lives. Timestamps (00:00) - Catching up (00:18) - Fitness update (18:13) - House updates (24:53) - Ben update (35:11) - Tailwind Labs update Links Adam on X Ben on XBy Ben Orenstein and Adam Wathan
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Adam Wathan, Creator of Tailwind CSS
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1:00:06Ben and Adam Wathan cover the development and reimagining of Tailwind CSS, focusing on the release of Tailwind 4.0. They delve into the motivation behind the rewrite, the challenges faced, and the approach to maintaining backward compatibility. The conversation covers topics related to software versioning, open-source maintenance, backward compatib…
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Ben and Matt discuss the role of a product engineer and Matt's journey as a content creator. Matt shares his experience working at a consulting agency and how it shaped his perspective on engineering. They also discuss the benefits of working in-person and the importance of the quality of coworkers. Matt reflects on his motivation for content creat…
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Hiring for tiny teams with Justin Jackson
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1:39:02Adam just wrapped up a big hiring project at Tailwind Labs, adding both a new engineer and a new designer to the team. In this episode he talks through the process with Justin Jackson, founder of Transistor, to compare notes and record what worked, what didn't, and how he will approach hiring in the future after going through this process. Timestam…
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In this conversation, Ben and Derrick discuss the challenges of growing a business and the decision to target specific market segments. They explore the trade-offs between serving a broad audience and focusing on a niche market. They also discuss the technical choices and architectural decisions in building a product, with Derrick sharing his posit…
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Thorsten Ball, Software Engineer at Zed
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1:12:58In this episode, Ben chats with Thorsten Ball. This conversation fits neatly into two halves - in the first, Ben and Thorsten go deep on how to differentiate yourself, work in public, and make it easy for people to hire you. In the second part of the conversation, they talk more specifically about Zed, why it matters, and how it’s being built. Link…
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After almost six years, Ben has stepped away from day-to-day work on Tuple and moved to its board. Friend of the pod Aaron Francis interviews Ben about the whole beautiful, complicated, enriching experience. As a treat, the boys dive into what's next for Aaron as well.By Ben Orenstein and Aaron Francis
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Andreas Kling, Creator of SerenityOS and the Ladybird Browser
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1:11:20Ben interviews Andreas Kling, creator of SerenityOS and the Ladybird browser. They talk about the concept of lifestyle software and how it relates to the development of SerenityOS, Andreas’ vision of creating a Zen garden for developers, and the benefits of using a mono repo and a unified language in the development process. They also touch on the …
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Fable Tales, Staff Engineer at Stripe
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1:05:31In this conversation, Fable and Ben dig deep on building a technical career that balances programming and company leadership. Fable shares their experience working at Stripe and the different roles they have held, including being a technical advisor to the CTO. They also discuss Fable's career move from being a hands-on programmer to role where les…
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In this episode, Ben interviews Josh Pigford, founder of Maybe.co, about the company’s journey from VC-backed startup -> closed startup -> open source project -> funded open source project. They discuss JavaScript and Rails trade-offs, the challenges of building a personal finance software, and the operational difficulties of building a business ba…
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Caleb Porzio, Creator of AlpineJS and Laravel Livewire
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1:24:29In this conversation, Ben interviews Caleb Porzio, the creator of AlpineJS and Laravel Livewire. The discussion ranges from discussions about life in general to specific testing practices and which notebook Caleb uses. Links Tuple.app - The best app for pair programming AlpineJS Laravel Livewire Caleb's VSCode Course Takeaways Apply core truths to …
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In this conversation, Ben interviews Taylor Otwell, the creator of Laravel. They discuss everything from the age-old argument of tabs vs. spaces to the origins of Laravel and how Taylor has turned it into a thriving, sustainable business. Links: Laravel, the framework Taylor created Tuple, used by the Laravel team to collaborates Takeaways Coding p…
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Building the HEY Calendar with Jason Fried
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51:0037signals have talked a lot about how they build new features for existing products using Shape Up, where they carefully hammer the scope to avoid letting anything ever drag on for more than six weeks. But there's not a lot of information out there about how they approach new product development, where it can take over a year to actually get the fi…
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In this episode, Adam and Ben sit down to evaluate how things went in 2023 in their business and personal lives. The dudes share kind of a lot in this one! More personal flavor than usual. Lots about fitness, mental health, gathering, and rascally-ness. Timestamps (00:00) - Ben and Adam review 2023 (03:17) - Ben wants to be more of a rascal (07:58)…
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Revisiting the Tailwind Labs business model
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45:55In this episode, Adam and Ben talk through the Tailwind Labs business model. Is Tailwind UI the best way for the company to make money? Or is there a different model where incentives are better aligned with growing the Tailwind CSS community as a whole? One potential model is offering a marketplace for templates and UI kits. Timestamps (00:00) - Bl…
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In this episode, Adam and Ben catch up on recent events at Tailwind Labs and Tuple. Adam spoke at Rails World and the impromptu Tailwind CSS meetup in Amsterdam. Ben shares his learnings from some recent feature launches at Tuple. Timestamps (00:00) - Burpees (02:47) - Rails World + Tailwind CSS Amsterdam meetup (11:27) - Launching Tuple Triggers (…
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Building the right team with Jason Fried
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1:11:30Adam wants to start the process of growing the team at Tailwind Labs, but knowing exactly who, when, and how to hire people (and have them actually work out) is a lot harder than expected. In this episode, he sits down with Jason Fried, founder and CEO of 37signals, to get all of Jason's best advice about hiring. Timestamps (00:00) - Talking hiring…
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Q&A: Starting over, the ideal employee, success and happiness, and selling the company
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1:21:11In this episode, Adam and Ben share some personal updates on lake houses, gym equipment, and luxury electric vehicles, and answer listener questions on topics like things they'd change when starting over, how to be more valuable as an employee, the point in their businesses that had the biggest impact on their happiness, and would they ever sell th…
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Predictable mistakes of the developer-turned-founder
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49:03So many developers (your podcast hosts included) make the same mistakes when trying to turn an idea into a business for the first time. In this episode, Ben and Adam talk through a bunch of these mistakes, why they matter, and what you should do to avoid them. Discuss this episode on Twitter → Timestamps (00:00) - Ben's Laracon talk "Predictable Mi…
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Losing 70 lbs, getting in shape, and 15-minute workouts
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59:26Last year, Adam got very serious about losing weight and getting in shape and lost 70 pounds, getting to about 12% body fat and maintaining enough strength to still bench 315. In this episode, Adam and Ben talk about Adam's weight loss story and all the specific tips and tactics he used to overcome a lifetime of bad eating habits, change his relati…
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When you're running a small company, hiring is simultaneously your highest leverage opportunity and the scariest thing ever. In this episode, Adam and Ben share some lessons learned, how they think about hiring for their teams now, and talk through some of the things they're still trying to figure out how to get right. Discuss this episode on Twitt…
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Enterprise sales for reluctant founders
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1:00:33Enterprise sales gets a bad rap amongst indie founders, but at Tuple it's become an important part of their business model. In this episode, Ben shares all his tips and tricks on how to sell to enterprise customers as a small startup without letting it slow you down. Discuss this episode on Twitter → Timestamps (00:00) - Ben's notes on enterprise s…
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249 - Java and the JDK: Powering the Android Landscape with Michael Bailey
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54:54In this episode of our podcast, we explore the diverse landscape of Java versions within the Android ecosystem. Our guest is Michael Bailey, a seasoned Java expert who has been a frequent presence on our show since the early days of our podcast. We kick off with a solid foundation, discussing the differences between JDK and JRE, as well as the dist…
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Most people are way too comfortable letting a project run for 12 weeks before ever getting it into a shippable state. In this episode, Adam and Ben share the strategies they use to make sure the projects they work on are shippable within the first few days, and stay shippable until the decision is made to finally cut the release. Discuss this episo…
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248 - Feature Flags & A/B Testing: A Deep Dive with Ishan Khanna
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1:05:44In this edition of Fragmented, we're thrilled to host Ishan Khanna, a software engineer at Tinder who possesses great enthusiasm for feature flags and A/B testing. Donn discusses why he invited Ishan on the show, highlighting Ishan's passion for feature flagging and A/B testing. The conversation kicks off with an insightful story from Ishan about f…
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247: The Art of App Modularization with Siggi Jonsson
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1:06:00In this episode, we talk to, Siggi Jonsson. Siggi helps guide us through the complex and often confusing world of Android app modularization. Our conversation will begin by shedding light on the importance of modularization, what triggers the need for breaking projects into multiple modules, and how modularization relates to team size, feature team…
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Minimalist management with David Heinemeier Hansson
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1:23:56After over 20 years in business and despite being responsible for a larger-than-ever team, David still finds plenty of time to get his hands in the code and build new products himself. We run significantly younger companies and significantly smaller teams and even we can't seem to find the space to do that, so we talked to DHH about how he makes it…
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246 - Dependency Injection: Kotlin Inject with Fred Porciúncula
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55:32In this podcast episode, we have the pleasure to host Fred Porciúncula, a Google Developer Expert (GDE) known for his work with Kotlin Inject and his invaluable contributions to the Android development community. Fred offers his expertise on Dependency Injection (DI), Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP), and how they intersect. We kick off the conversation …
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245: Treehouse, Redwood and Zipline with Colin White
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54:47In this episode, Donn and Kaushik talk to an old friend of the show, Colin White, about Treehouse, a combination of the Redwood and Zipline libraries. Colin is a Staff Engineer at Cash App (Block). Redwood is a multiplatform Compose library that allows you to target multiple UI toolkits on various native platforms. Ultimately this allows you to sha…
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244: Reviving Our Passion for Android Development
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9:34In this episode, Donn and Kaushik announce that they are steering the podcast back into Android waters. In other words, the Fragmented Podcast is returning to its roots ... we're back to being a 100% Android Development focused show. We're glad to have you as a listener, here's to the future of Android Development. 🚀 AndroidJobs.IO Job postings are…
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Last summer, Tailwind UI moved from selling individual content packages and upsells to a one-time purchase, lifetime access pricing model. Since then, the business has doubled. Having seen this in action, Adam recently convinced his friends Sam and Ryan to try lifetime pricing for their product Build UI, and the results are starting to come in. In …
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243: Mastering the Art of Switching Careers in Tech with Dan Lew
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48:22In this episode, Donn and Kaushik talk to long-time friend Dan Lew about his recent career switch from Android developer to TypeScript/Node.js/Progressive Web App Developer (and more). It's an interesting discussion that covers ... Why Dan decided to leave the Android world The challenges he faced when he moved from one tech stack to another How to…
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Revisiting "The Ideal Bootstrapped Business" with Jason Cohen
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1:24:40Jason Cohen’s talk “Designing the Ideal Bootstrapped Business” from 2013 is a classic in the bootstrapper canon. In this episode, Jason joins Adam and Ben to see how the talk holds up a decade after its creation. Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:27 Designing the ideal bootstrapped business 06:53 Recurring revenue vs one-off sales 13:30 Getting all the LTV…
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“How come Dave Grohl is still playing guitar and writing songs and singing but I'm filling out DMCA takedown notices, answering customer support emails and responding to GitHub issues?” Timestamps 00:00 Intro 03:05 Bringing on a band manager 07:34 Why the band metaphor works 11:54 Make things for your fans, not for your critics 14:49 Always do the …
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Ben Orenstein (Tuple) and Adam Wathan (Tailwind CSS) are back on the mics. Today they reflect on 2022 and lessons they’ve learned. Ben has some thoughts on delegation, priorities and enterprise sales, while Adam explains how he made time for proof of concepts and has figured a way to actually follow his to-do list. Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:11 Sett…
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242 - Kotlin Code Formatting with ktfmt and spotless
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39:59In this episode, Donn and Kaushik talk about one of the age old bike shedding topics - code formatting, and how you can solve it with automation and tools. Code formatting can turn into an endless debate amongst peers and teams, and what Kaushik and Donn have found is that this can be delegated to a tool and automated. Freeing you and your team of …
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241: The Pressure to Ship. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt
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45:17In this episode, Donn and Kaushik talk about the fear of shipping, some impostor syndrome and how it contributes to uncertainty and doubt in your capabilities as a software developer. Recently Donn embarked on a mission to come up with an idea and ship it within 24 hours (which he did do). The end result was a net benefit of confidence, speed and s…
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In this episode, Donn and Kaushik talk about 5 new-ish Kotlin constructs that you might not be aware of. The constructs that they talk about are: fun interface (SAM - Single Abstract Method), and they juxtapose them vs function types type alias import alias value class data object You'll learn what they are, how you can use them and when or when yo…
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In this short episode, Donn talks about the CODEOWNERS file and how it can help you ensure teams review the code that they are responsible for before merging. The CODEOWNERS file is a file that you drop into the root of your project (or into the /docs or .github/ directory) that tells GitHub (or whatever git host you're using) to require a review f…
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238: How to Land a Job (if you got laid off or if you're just starting out)
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26:59In this episode, Donn talks about the tips and tricks he's used over the last 20 years of consulting, freelancing and working full time to find jobs and new opporftunities. We're hoping some of these tips help those affected by the recent tech layoffs. These are tips that Donn still uses to this day. They work wonders to help you land a job quickly…
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237: Compose vs XML - Which one should you learn as an Android Dev?
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40:18In this episode, Donn and Kaushik talk about their thoughts on Jetpack Compose and XML for Android layouts and which one you should learn first. As with every conversation in tech ... it depends on what you're trying to do, where you are at in your career, what the company is doing and more. Donn and Kaushik go into both of their thought processes …
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